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O Byrne Cup 2019

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You would really need to give McEntee another 3 years with everything that's new now.inter county is a big ask for complete new players.
Nally is skills coach so to get his take on things embedded into players will take more than a year.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 07/11/2018 20:54:30    2150122

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It's not all players fault. Who wants to buy in to putting your life on hold for very little reward ? Looking at from the outside players seemed to be treated harshly last year. And mistakes where made on the side line also. Management in meath county's like us seem to struggling to get players to commit to the ridiculous schedule required for inter county these days.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 07/11/2018 22:17:50    2150136

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "It's not all players fault. Who wants to buy in to putting your life on hold for very little reward ? Looking at from the outside players seemed to be treated harshly last year. And mistakes where made on the side line also. Management in meath county's like us seem to struggling to get players to commit to the ridiculous schedule required for inter county these days."
What players were treated harshly and how were they ? Just curious, might be something I don't know

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 08/11/2018 00:28:47    2150144

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Replying To bert09:  "Good to see a bit of competition for the Meath manager position with the appointment of Barry Callaghan to under 20s. Finally some semblance of a succession plan if Andy goes after his 3 year stint at the job."
Tbh can't see mcentee going anywhere after this year. I expect a extension

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 08/11/2018 13:06:52    2150195

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Tbh can't see mcentee going anywhere after this year. I expect a extension"
i tend to disagree here Royal and this is nothing against Andy

He's stated he wanted promotion or super 8's last season and the same this season. Without achieving either of those he's gotta answer some question. I think his minimum is getting to a Leinster final this year and failing that given we're on the weaker side of the draw he has to go.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 909 - 08/11/2018 15:49:41    2150227

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Tbh can't see mcentee going anywhere after this year. I expect a extension"
I am not sure about that, sounded like he was actully thinking about leaving this year. From a interview on LMFM this year. Isn't he on a break from work ? Maybe I am wrong about that.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 08/11/2018 15:59:21    2150232

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Tbh can't see mcentee going anywhere after this year. I expect a extension"
Its high time there was a statue erected in his honour

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 08/11/2018 18:03:46    2150263

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Replying To Analyst:  "Its high time there was a statue erected in his honour"
Maybe we could name the new stand after him

bobjaffacake (Meath) - Posts: 1398 - 08/11/2018 21:14:04    2150285

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Honestly think we must have some of the most impatient and deliberately obtuse fans in the country. Last year was disappointing, no disputing that, but we've moved into an era where there are pressures on county managers that even Sean Boylan didn't have to contend with. It's hard to get consistency and continuity when the panel available changes every year. We seem happy to have a revolving door approach to management too. A few bad results for O'Callaghan if he were to succeed Andy and you'd have people on here baying for him too. Sometimes a little bit of faith can go a long way.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 08/11/2018 22:40:56    2150293

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "Honestly think we must have some of the most impatient and deliberately obtuse fans in the country. Last year was disappointing, no disputing that, but we've moved into an era where there are pressures on county managers that even Sean Boylan didn't have to contend with. It's hard to get consistency and continuity when the panel available changes every year. We seem happy to have a revolving door approach to management too. A few bad results for O'Callaghan if he were to succeed Andy and you'd have people on here baying for him too. Sometimes a little bit of faith can go a long way."
Well said. It's unfortunately the modern game. We are fitter and better prepared than we ever have been, now yes the results haven't come, but surely we have to give a bit of time. We gave mod 4 years with disimprovemt year on year. Mcentee hasn't even started his 3rd year yet. I believe we have the right mix now to take the next level.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 09/11/2018 00:40:22    2150305

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "Honestly think we must have some of the most impatient and deliberately obtuse fans in the country. Last year was disappointing, no disputing that, but we've moved into an era where there are pressures on county managers that even Sean Boylan didn't have to contend with. It's hard to get consistency and continuity when the panel available changes every year. We seem happy to have a revolving door approach to management too. A few bad results for O'Callaghan if he were to succeed Andy and you'd have people on here baying for him too. Sometimes a little bit of faith can go a long way."
For the record i agree aanager should be given 3 years, but there should be positive signs in year 2

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 09/11/2018 09:32:26    2150329

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Replying To Analyst:  "For the record i agree aanager should be given 3 years, but there should be positive signs in year 2"
That will b 6 years in charge so.where if no improvement do we drAw a line??

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 09/11/2018 10:28:57    2150340

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Replying To Analyst:  "For the record i agree aanager should be given 3 years, but there should be positive signs in year 2"
That will b 6 years in charge so.where if no improvement do we drAw a line??

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 09/11/2018 10:29:20    2150341

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Guys i'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade and i think Andy is the right man for this job and should be given next year but at the end of the year a full and frank assessment must be made.

Everyone is positive about next year based on the Tyrone game. That was our best game last year by a distance. That's not a proper measure of the team and shouldn't be. It was the outlier amongst a season of inconsistency.

This year I'm hoping Andy brings that consistency. As someone said year 2 should show signs of improvement and positivity. For Andy season 2 was static and honestly a disimprovement given we went out so tamely in Leinster to Longford and were wose in the league than 2017.

A repeat of that next year and there's no doubt he's gone and there should be no questions asked or required.

If he can build on that Tyrone game, have us playing at a consistent level of performance, get us close to or promoted and a Leinster final I'm all for giving him a fourth year. His stated aims are promotions and super 8's and I'd grant him leeway if he wants to go back for a year 4 if he doesn't make them but gets close.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 909 - 09/11/2018 11:39:34    2150360

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Replying To brian:  "Guys i'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade and i think Andy is the right man for this job and should be given next year but at the end of the year a full and frank assessment must be made.

Everyone is positive about next year based on the Tyrone game. That was our best game last year by a distance. That's not a proper measure of the team and shouldn't be. It was the outlier amongst a season of inconsistency.

This year I'm hoping Andy brings that consistency. As someone said year 2 should show signs of improvement and positivity. For Andy season 2 was static and honestly a disimprovement given we went out so tamely in Leinster to Longford and were wose in the league than 2017.

A repeat of that next year and there's no doubt he's gone and there should be no questions asked or required.

If he can build on that Tyrone game, have us playing at a consistent level of performance, get us close to or promoted and a Leinster final I'm all for giving him a fourth year. His stated aims are promotions and super 8's and I'd grant him leeway if he wants to go back for a year 4 if he doesn't make them but gets close."
I don't think anyone could disagree with that.
I think his biggest fault was loyalty to some players who were not going to be around for the summer, I am not trying to single anyone out but a couple of lads had told Andy before league they were heading off during championship, he still had them play during league, which while I understand was to try and get promoted was detrimental come longford game, just my opinion I think those lads should have been told thanks boys enjoy the time away, but I need to build a consistent panel, so if u can't give me the full year, I'll see you when u get back.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 09/11/2018 14:12:05    2150390

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Replying To brian:  "Guys i'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade and i think Andy is the right man for this job and should be given next year but at the end of the year a full and frank assessment must be made.

Everyone is positive about next year based on the Tyrone game. That was our best game last year by a distance. That's not a proper measure of the team and shouldn't be. It was the outlier amongst a season of inconsistency.

This year I'm hoping Andy brings that consistency. As someone said year 2 should show signs of improvement and positivity. For Andy season 2 was static and honestly a disimprovement given we went out so tamely in Leinster to Longford and were wose in the league than 2017.

A repeat of that next year and there's no doubt he's gone and there should be no questions asked or required.

If he can build on that Tyrone game, have us playing at a consistent level of performance, get us close to or promoted and a Leinster final I'm all for giving him a fourth year. His stated aims are promotions and super 8's and I'd grant him leeway if he wants to go back for a year 4 if he doesn't make them but gets close."
That is a fair assessment of where we are coming from and dont think there would be many objections to Management staying in place if there is consistant improvement. At this stage I think promotion and super 8s is a step too far coming from such a low base.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 09/11/2018 14:41:49    2150395

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I don't think anyone could disagree with that.
I think his biggest fault was loyalty to some players who were not going to be around for the summer, I am not trying to single anyone out but a couple of lads had told Andy before league they were heading off during championship, he still had them play during league, which while I understand was to try and get promoted was detrimental come longford game, just my opinion I think those lads should have been told thanks boys enjoy the time away, but I need to build a consistent panel, so if u can't give me the full year, I'll see you when u get back."
If that was true rd then in my books he definitely not the man for the job. To b told before champ not b around at senior inter county is not on, to keep playing them lads. But I doubt that happened.something happened during the year to make lads go it's not out there but in time it will b. At the moment it's shoulder to the wheel for players supporters see where it gets us.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 10/11/2018 05:17:43    2150482

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I don't think anyone could disagree with that.
I think his biggest fault was loyalty to some players who were not going to be around for the summer, I am not trying to single anyone out but a couple of lads had told Andy before league they were heading off during championship, he still had them play during league, which while I understand was to try and get promoted was detrimental come longford game, just my opinion I think those lads should have been told thanks boys enjoy the time away, but I need to build a consistent panel, so if u can't give me the full year, I'll see you when u get back."
If that was true rd then in my books he definitely not the man for the job. To b told before champ not b around at senior inter county is not on, to keep playing them lads. But I doubt that happened.something happened during the year to make lads go it's not out there but in time it will b. At the moment it's shoulder to the wheel for players supporters see where it gets us.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 10/11/2018 05:17:53    2150483

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I think most people agree, that changing a manager is going to much as regards how Meath perform. I did taught that we would be a lot better under Mc Antee than MOD. But the harsh reality is nothing much has changed. Slight yes, But and you argue certain improvements, I want to down that its been done. But seems like its real challenge to actually get lads to even play for Meath at the moment. And we have seen this already this year will the wholesale exodus of players this year.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 12/11/2018 10:36:10    2150729

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Replying To bert09:  "Good to see a bit of competition for the Meath manager position with the appointment of Barry Callaghan to under 20s. Finally some semblance of a succession plan if Andy goes after his 3 year stint at the job."
To be fair McEntee needs time to try and improve things, he took over Meath at one of our lowest points ever , the collapses under MOD were horrific, also Banty before MOD wasn't really up to much either.

Whether Andy turns out to be an effective manager or not only time will tell, but remember when he took over we hadn't had a good manager since O'Brien in 2010, a good Meath championship structure since 2002, a legitimate Leinster win since 2001 nor an All-Ireland since 1999.

It's a big job for anyone!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8583 - 12/11/2018 11:24:46    2150735

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