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Replying To BigJoe14:  "If anything Kiltale are to be commended for appealing it and highlighting the disgraceful carry on of the Meath county board and more directly the CCC who have had a truly awful year. It is a complete and utter joke that these competitions were being played at the end of the year anyway, as there was ample time to play them at the start of year as a pre tournament to the league. Also Kiltale had a 4 week gap between the county final and there Leinster match, a time in which they could have easily participated in this competition. Walkovers were given all over the place as teams were out of the championship by then and some didn't bother with it. The way the Meath CCC conduct there business is appalling. Making up rules as they go along and to just exclude teams from a competition because of the CCC's failure to run a competition properly is outrageous. Also lets not forget quote of the year from one of the members of this committee - 'Player welfare is not the responsibility of the Meath CCC'"
So why did Kiltale no appeal 4 weeks ago ?
They knew before the county final that the county champions would not be included in the BD Cup
If they were so annoyed about not been included in the BD Cup why did they wait until after the finalist were know to appeal to the Leinster council ?
BD dishonored is all of this charade

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 194 - 06/11/2018 15:10:51    2149893

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "If anything Kiltale are to be commended for appealing it and highlighting the disgraceful carry on of the Meath county board and more directly the CCC who have had a truly awful year. It is a complete and utter joke that these competitions were being played at the end of the year anyway, as there was ample time to play them at the start of year as a pre tournament to the league. Also Kiltale had a 4 week gap between the county final and there Leinster match, a time in which they could have easily participated in this competition. Walkovers were given all over the place as teams were out of the championship by then and some didn't bother with it. The way the Meath CCC conduct there business is appalling. Making up rules as they go along and to just exclude teams from a competition because of the CCC's failure to run a competition properly is outrageous. Also lets not forget quote of the year from one of the members of this committee - 'Player welfare is not the responsibility of the Meath CCC'"
I think this is a very harsh post, maybe with a little chip on the shoulder. Making fixtures is an impossible job and this year has been very progressive, given the difficulties of the hurlers being in the new Joe McDonagh and the possibility of the footballers in the Super 8. The hurling championship this year was the best ever after changes to the format, the leagues are all played and the idea of structuring the Cup competitions to allow for no hold up was very good. It showed some foresight and the proposals coming in for changes to the championship and league also highlight progress.
If Kiltale had been fixed to play a Brendan Davis Cup game a week before their Leinster club match, would they have looked a for a postponement. These things have happened in the past.
Kiltale are a fine club and great representatives of Meath hurling but this is a funny one.

49erroyal (Meath) - Posts: 53 - 06/11/2018 15:21:40    2149898

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Replying To BigJoe14:  "If anything Kiltale are to be commended for appealing it and highlighting the disgraceful carry on of the Meath county board and more directly the CCC who have had a truly awful year. It is a complete and utter joke that these competitions were being played at the end of the year anyway, as there was ample time to play them at the start of year as a pre tournament to the league. Also Kiltale had a 4 week gap between the county final and there Leinster match, a time in which they could have easily participated in this competition. Walkovers were given all over the place as teams were out of the championship by then and some didn't bother with it. The way the Meath CCC conduct there business is appalling. Making up rules as they go along and to just exclude teams from a competition because of the CCC's failure to run a competition properly is outrageous. Also lets not forget quote of the year from one of the members of this committee - 'Player welfare is not the responsibility of the Meath CCC'"
If I recall correctly, there was plenty of giving out that the leagues were already starting too early this year in the last weekend of January. How could you possibly fit even more games in there?

The competition should be run like it was a few years ago on weekday nights in May, without county players. Even then I recall controversy a few years ago when a certain club ignored the Meath management and played their county players in a Davis cup match a few days before a Christy Ring semi final.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 06/11/2018 15:23:11    2149900

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Replying To gardentree:  "So why did Kiltale no appeal 4 weeks ago ?
They knew before the county final that the county champions would not be included in the BD Cup
If they were so annoyed about not been included in the BD Cup why did they wait until after the finalist were know to appeal to the Leinster council ?
BD dishonored is all of this charade"
How do you know they knew they would be excluded. And also they were preparing for a county final that they hadn't won yet so they were hardly going to appeal a decision to exclude county champions from the Cup competition when they weren't county champions yet? This mess lies firmly with the CCC and nobody else. If your talking about cups being dishonored well then that was done a long time ago with the amount of walk overs given and the time of year the competition was being played at!

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 565 - 06/11/2018 15:50:35    2149908

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This has turned into a mess. CCC got it wrong, but very unfair on Trim and Kildalkey players and the Davis family who want to play this final. Competition is never going to be replayed this year. Kiltale have made their point and they should withdraw their appeal for the good of Meath club hurling and let the final be played.

Redsalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 06/11/2018 17:06:22    2149922

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Every team senior and inter should have been in from first round and if they didn't play game fair enough. But every team should have been in from start. Think kiltale are dead right and other team should have followed suit in fairness. Fair play kiltale

JohnboyWalton (Meath) - Posts: 19 - 06/11/2018 21:39:18    2149976

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Personally think they way that the football competition was run this year was very good. It gave teams a break after they got knocked out of the championship and then they were able to play an extra few games which previously wouldnt have got. I know my own club enjoyed it and seen it as a chance to blood a few younger lads in a 'fun' competive manner.

I think all clubs would have knew what the story was regarding the way the competition was being ran this year and no complaints from what I could hear anyway until now.

Also on the point of player welfare no being the job of the CCCC. I 100% agree that it is not the responsibility of the CCCC to look after player welfare. Their job is to organise the fixtures for all the competitions in the county, (which I think they have done a good job at this year albeit there could be an improvement into the way that B league is managed). Player welfare is the responsibility of the clubs and the players themselves. At the end of the day they are the ones who are best positioned to say whether they are able to play or not. Clubs need to take responsibility for their assets (players) and look after them.

juicy (Meath) - Posts: 384 - 07/11/2018 10:22:11    2150024

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Replying To hurlit:  "Kiltale objected to this 3 - 4 weeks ago according to last nights information
So anybody trying to claim it was a last minute objection due to the final pairing needs to go back to drawing board
Fair play to them"
"Kiltale objected to this 3-4 weeks ago"

That competetion has been running since at least the beginning of September, that's more than eight weeks ago.
Did Kiltale pay the €100 to enter the competition at the same time as all the other teams or did they suddenly realise half way through that they hadn't been included?

Justin1 (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 07/11/2018 10:31:48    2150027

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I think it would be worth approaching the idea of moving the tournament around the county as opposed to 1 club having it every year. It would give each individual club a chance to show there grounds particularly clubs who don't get to host hurling championship ties due to not being in a central location.

Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 07/11/2018 13:16:33    2150045

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Replying To Justin1:  ""Kiltale objected to this 3-4 weeks ago"

That competetion has been running since at least the beginning of September, that's more than eight weeks ago.
Did Kiltale pay the €100 to enter the competition at the same time as all the other teams or did they suddenly realise half way through that they hadn't been included?"
A great disservice was done to Meath Hurling by objecting to the Brendan Davis cup final been played last sunday.
More mud for the non hurling people in the county to sling at Meath Hurling.
This appeal and the decision of the Leinster Council to deem the Brendan Davis Cup null and void has only embarrassed Meath hurling once again. The CCC then deem it null and void without even sitting down with Kiltale, Trim and Kildalkey to see if a resolution could be found between the four parties. Surely because it was their fault the rules were broken they should have made some attempt to rectify the situation not Just throw the competition in the bin without discussing with the three clubs left in the competition.. Nothing but negativity to Meath hurling was gained in the last seven days. This will be a bullet for the none hurling people to fire in the coming months if Meath hurling management are looking for support with anything .
But don't worry we will make sure that the Brendan Davis Cup is played every year from now on, we will make sure that this competition is given its rightful place in the Meath Gaa games fixtures schedule from now on. We will not let the events of this negative week affect our resolve to make sure that the Brendan Davis cup remains an important competition in the Meath Gaa fixtures schedule. Brendan Davis would turn in his grave with such carry on. No Surrender.

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 194 - 07/11/2018 13:40:56    2150047

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I note the CCC statement and their apology to the teams that participated and to Kildalkey and to Trim who did not get to play the final and so well they should but not one hint or word of apology to the clubs that were excluded. This merely shows that the CCC have learned nothing by the whole sorry exercise. Leinster Council found that the CCC had acted incorrectly but they, the CCC, are still in denial of the fact that you cannot take a club's money and then not admit that club to the competition or exclude a club from one competition by virtue of its success in another competition.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 07/11/2018 17:21:32    2150094

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Disappointing that Trim cannot add to their trophy cabinet this year, I hope final is still played. I wonder will football clubs who were excluded appeal to Leinster Council over their non participation in football cup competitions?? They just have to appeal on the football cup regulation and they win appeal.

Redsalltheway (Meath) - Posts: 112 - 07/11/2018 17:41:19    2150095

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Replying To gardentree:  "A great disservice was done to Meath Hurling by objecting to the Brendan Davis cup final been played last sunday.
More mud for the non hurling people in the county to sling at Meath Hurling.
This appeal and the decision of the Leinster Council to deem the Brendan Davis Cup null and void has only embarrassed Meath hurling once again. The CCC then deem it null and void without even sitting down with Kiltale, Trim and Kildalkey to see if a resolution could be found between the four parties. Surely because it was their fault the rules were broken they should have made some attempt to rectify the situation not Just throw the competition in the bin without discussing with the three clubs left in the competition.. Nothing but negativity to Meath hurling was gained in the last seven days. This will be a bullet for the none hurling people to fire in the coming months if Meath hurling management are looking for support with anything .
But don't worry we will make sure that the Brendan Davis Cup is played every year from now on, we will make sure that this competition is given its rightful place in the Meath Gaa games fixtures schedule from now on. We will not let the events of this negative week affect our resolve to make sure that the Brendan Davis cup remains an important competition in the Meath Gaa fixtures schedule. Brendan Davis would turn in his grave with such carry on. No Surrender."
The county board made of mockery of all cup competitions played this year not just this.
Playing cups when most teams are out and couldnt care less , you only have to look at the amount of byes given.


As for the rest of your statement , bit dramatic dont you think?
Most people think kiltale were correct and karma has came back to bite kildalkey.

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 07/11/2018 18:35:25    2150100

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Replying To hurlit:  "The county board made of mockery of all cup competitions played this year not just this.
Playing cups when most teams are out and couldnt care less , you only have to look at the amount of byes given.


As for the rest of your statement , bit dramatic dont you think?
Most people think kiltale were correct and karma has came back to bite kildalkey."
I don't get the karma and Kildalkey, I was led to believe that the Brendan Davis Cup was presented by the Kildalkey Club to Meath GAA so that Meath GAA could run a knockout competition open to Senior and Intermediate Hurling clubs in Co Meath. Apart from the final being played each year in Kildalkey with the cup being presented by members of the Davis family, the Kildalkey club do not organise this competition, which now seems to be a pity because no organisation could have made a bigger mess of it as its current organisers.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 07/11/2018 19:54:55    2150109

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It's almost like the CB suddenly realised they'd forgotten to hold the tournament and scrambled to try and get it run at the last minute when the business end of the SHC was almost fully decided. Once the other clubs had departed the championship they lost all interest in fulfilling these fixtures. We could barely field a team of U21s and minors for one of our games before eventually conceding a walkover. I attended a few of the other games and there was no interest and no spectators at them and not much in the way of entertainment to watch.
We still don't know if Kiltale were ever officially in it or not but if they wanted it that badly that they'd rather see the competition abandoned then the CB should just give them the cup and be done with it.

Justin1 (Meath) - Posts: 9 - 07/11/2018 20:01:34    2150114

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The Brendan Davis saga led to A Shameful end to a brilliant club Hurling season.

Senior Champions: Kiltale

Brendan Davis Cup Champions :Final not played Kildalkey V Trim , Kiltale Objection, Competition Null and Void, Nothing achieved by Kiltale objection except the dishonouring of a great Kildalkey hurling man. This will not be forgotten in 2019 .

Div 1 Hurling League Champions : Kildalkey
Div 2 Hurling League Champions: Longwood
Div 3 Hurling League Champions: Dunderry
Div 4: Hurling League Champions: Ratoath V Kells Final TBP

Junior Hurling Champions: Trim
Junior 2 Hurling Champions: Rathmoylan

Lets look forward to 2019

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 194 - 09/11/2018 15:57:15    2150408

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Good championship alright and good format to senior especially. Regarding the Brendan Davis, I think once your knocked out of championship, your year has finished. Hard for clubs and players that are knocked out in championship to fulfil a fixture knowing they haven't played or trained for a few weeks, and that's only first round and then expect to play a team still competing in championship the next round. Look, its a good competition but its ranked lowest of the 3, so play it first(all teams) along with league and then championship. Also to a comment made to kiltale, that it won't be forgotten in 2019, does that mean Kildalkey will fix all there games to suit themselves again????

Bugsy (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 13/11/2018 13:42:02    2150950

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"this will not be forgotten in 2019" - All kiltale championship matches to be played on the village green in Kildalkey. On Tuesday afternoons

I'm not sure how Kiltales stance on the Brendan Davis dishonoured the great hurling man? Surely it's the ultimate sign of respect that Kiltale demanded they be entered into a competition is his name where a lot of other clubs opted out.

begining (UK) - Posts: 277 - 13/11/2018 14:15:02    2150957

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[quote=gardentree:  "The Brendan Davis saga led to A Shameful end to a brilliant club Hurling season.

Senior Champions: Kiltale

Brendan Davis Cup Champions :Final not played Kildalkey V Trim , Kiltale Objection, Competition Null and Void, Nothing achieved by Kiltale objection except the dishonouring of a great Kildalkey hurling man. This will not be forgotten in 2019 .

Div 1 Hurling League Champions : Kildalkey
Div 2 Hurling League Champions: Longwood
Div 3 Hurling League Champions: Dunderry
Div 4: Hurling League Champions: Ratoath V Kells Final TBP

Junior Hurling Champions: Trim
Junior 2 Hurling Champions: Rathmoylan
Kildalkey would be better off go back to the way they used to be, when they were good.
Stop the special treatment , stop playing every game in navan , stop making fixtures to suit themselves and cause as much disruption to every other team as possible etc etc
They are now hated by everybody because of the off field carry on.
I feel sorry for the actual players as it seams they are pissed off with it also.
Will other clubs complain eventually to county board ?

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 13/11/2018 17:52:59    2150988

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Kildalkey would be better off go back to the way they used to be, when they were good.
Stop the special treatment , stop playing every game in navan , stop making fixtures to suit themselves and cause as much disruption to every other team as possible etc etc
They are now hated by everybody because of the off field carry on.
I feel sorry for the actual players as it seams they are pissed off with it also.
Will other clubs complain eventually to county board ?

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 13/11/2018 18:27:23    2150996

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