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What's that about

head4dblackspot (Meath) - Posts: 447 - 04/11/2018 12:40:59    2149489

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Replying To showforit:  "Kiltale objection apparently"
I would say it's because Summerhill 21's were playing

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 833 - 04/11/2018 17:29:22    2149507

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Replying To head4dblackspot:  "What's that about"
They don't seem to have been included in the draw for some reason. They didn't play any round in it anyway

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 205 - 04/11/2018 17:42:54    2149509

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None of the championship winners (Dunboyne, Longwood, Na Fianna, Kiltale) were included in the knockout cups. Seems Kiltale were the only ones to have an issue with this.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 04/11/2018 19:28:54    2149530

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Gaeil Colmcille, Na Fianna (IHC Finalists) and Kiltale SH Champions did not play? From seeing the results on the Meath GAA website clubs apparently played in this competition as they were eliminated from the championships. But how did Trim get to play and the other finalist not get to play? Strange indeed.

If this was the basis of Kiltale's objection they were well within their rights. But it is also not right that they should get through to a semifinal directly. Wise person needed!!!

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 04/11/2018 20:00:25    2149536

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Replying To MillerX:  "Gaeil Colmcille, Na Fianna (IHC Finalists) and Kiltale SH Champions did not play? From seeing the results on the Meath GAA website clubs apparently played in this competition as they were eliminated from the championships. But how did Trim get to play and the other finalist not get to play? Strange indeed.

If this was the basis of Kiltale's objection they were well within their rights. But it is also not right that they should get through to a semifinal directly. Wise person needed!!!"
Teams that had won the championship were not due to be entered into cup competitions. Example Dunboyne in Feis Cup.
Kiltale were not within there rights to appeal. Don't see why Kells weren't entered into it though.

Meathgaalad (Meath) - Posts: 120 - 04/11/2018 21:52:38    2149560

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Replying To Meathgaalad:  "Teams that had won the championship were not due to be entered into cup competitions. Example Dunboyne in Feis Cup.
Kiltale were not within there rights to appeal. Don't see why Kells weren't entered into it though."
Kells chose not to enter the competition. All other championship winners accepted the decision taken in May except one club (or maybe one individual). Anyway the BD for 2018 I guess is done.

StickFan (Meath) - Posts: 192 - 04/11/2018 23:05:28    2149570

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Replying To Meathgaalad:  "Teams that had won the championship were not due to be entered into cup competitions. Example Dunboyne in Feis Cup.
Kiltale were not within there rights to appeal. Don't see why Kells weren't entered into it though."
With all due respect I think you are bluffing as ALL Senior and Intermediate Clubs are eligible to enter the Brendan Davis Cup as per 2018 County Committee Regulation 49 which states:
"BRENDAN DAVIS CUP
49.
(i) Brendan Davis Cup shall be played annually on the knock out system.
(ii) It shall be open to senior and intermediate hurling clubs only.
(iii) Teams must play without players involved with County Teams (Football or Hurling) except in final.
(iv) Extra time if necessary shall be played in all matches including final.
(v) Twenty four medals shall be provided for the Winners of the Competition.
(vi) The County Competitions Control Committee shall have the power to play the first two rounds at
home or neutral venue if necessary.
(vii) An entry fee of €100 be charged.
(viii) Should a Club fail to fulfill a fixture in this Competition the game shall be awarded to the opposing
team and a fine of €200 may be imposed on the team failing to fulfill the fixture. "

No mention of winning a Championship or anything like that. You should also note that little mater of the €100 entry fee.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 04/11/2018 23:26:43    2149574

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "None of the championship winners (Dunboyne, Longwood, Na Fianna, Kiltale) were included in the knockout cups. Seems Kiltale were the only ones to have an issue with this."
Longwood were in the Brendan Davis cup - gave a walkover to Kilmessan

Belt (Meath) - Posts: 205 - 05/11/2018 09:13:58    2149590

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I feel Trim have been hard done by here.

Zero sympathy for Kildalkey. Kiltale were right to call them out on it. Judging by their defeat on Saturday kiltale could've done with a few games in the Brendan Davis. 4 weeks off done them no good.

Can't see there been an appetite among clubs to finish this competition now as it probably means that the whole competition will need to be re-drawn. These competitions need to be midweek during the summer.

begining (UK) - Posts: 277 - 05/11/2018 11:16:18    2149613

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Replying To Belt:  "Longwood were in the Brendan Davis cup - gave a walkover to Kilmessan"
Well I suppose I should clarify that I meant the knockout cup in their code. Dunboyne were also in the Davis Cup and Na Fianna were in the Feis Cup....

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 05/11/2018 11:18:53    2149614

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Replying To begining:  "I feel Trim have been hard done by here.

Zero sympathy for Kildalkey. Kiltale were right to call them out on it. Judging by their defeat on Saturday kiltale could've done with a few games in the Brendan Davis. 4 weeks off done them no good.

Can't see there been an appetite among clubs to finish this competition now as it probably means that the whole competition will need to be re-drawn. These competitions need to be midweek during the summer."
I agree entirely that the Davis Cup should be played midweek or indeed weekend (if clubs are free). The rules are set up for this as clubs have to play in each round except final without their county players of either code. So there is no excuse for not starting off this competition on a level playing field while the Ring/McDonagh etc Cups are being held and the County Footballers are preparing for the Leinster Championship. No brainer.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 05/11/2018 11:41:57    2149620

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It now seems now that a decision was made by the county board and or the CCCC to omit the county champions from this years knockout competitions in hurling and football. The reasoning around this is because of the weekends and weeks that were lost to playing games during the bad weather in Feb and march this year. The logic behind this decisions was that the teams that won the respective championships would be in Leinster club competitions and they would hold up the completion of the Meath club knockout competitions.
Dunboyne won the senior football and did not take part in the Feis Cup.
Longwood won intermediate football and did not take part in the Boyne Cup.
Na Fianna won the intermediate hurling but did not take part in Davis Cup.

None of the above objected to not been entered in the draw for the Meath Club knockout competitions.
Kiltale did and went to the Leinster council with the appeal on Friday last two days before the final was to be played.
If Kiltale were serious about their objection why did they not object to this four weeks ago ?? the week after the county final ? It seems very strange that they only objected the week after the semi finals were played and two days before the final, very strange , very strange indeed.
It would be interesting to know who came up with the idea of objecting ?
was it the players ?
was it the management ?
was it just the club or all of the above together ??
I would say the Kildalkey club are very angry about this, Brendan Davis was one of their past members and they put up this cup in his memory.

What happens now ? Kiltale are now back in the competition now ?? Will the BD cup now be redrawn ??
One other taught that springs to mind, If the Leinster council ruled that the Kiltale objection was in order and that the CB & CCCC broke rules by omitting Kiltale from the BD cup, and remember they Leinster council can only make a judgement for or against an objection by quoting a rule infringement, well are all of the other Meath Club knockout competitions not also out of order. Will they all now not have to be redrawn and replayed ??

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 194 - 05/11/2018 14:11:24    2149662

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would kiltale have not to gone to our county board first before they went to leinster council ?
The whole brendan d cup has been a farce from start to finish to be fair

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 05/11/2018 15:02:28    2149670

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There's every chance Kiltale only found out they weren't in the competition in the last week or so and assumed they'd be playing it after their Leinster game. If the county board had published the draw/format a few weeks ago we could have avoided this problem long in advance. Instead, as I posted about at the time, there was no discernible draw, just random fixtures thrown out and nobody knew where they stood.

Also just as another note, if Kildalkey had won the SHC does anyone think there's a hope in hell they would have agreed not to take part in the Brendan Davis Cup? Not a chance, it'd be delayed till Christmas if needed so that they could take part.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 05/11/2018 15:27:55    2149678

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Replying To gardentree:  "It now seems now that a decision was made by the county board and or the CCCC to omit the county champions from this years knockout competitions in hurling and football. The reasoning around this is because of the weekends and weeks that were lost to playing games during the bad weather in Feb and march this year. The logic behind this decisions was that the teams that won the respective championships would be in Leinster club competitions and they would hold up the completion of the Meath club knockout competitions.
Dunboyne won the senior football and did not take part in the Feis Cup.
Longwood won intermediate football and did not take part in the Boyne Cup.
Na Fianna won the intermediate hurling but did not take part in Davis Cup.

None of the above objected to not been entered in the draw for the Meath Club knockout competitions.
Kiltale did and went to the Leinster council with the appeal on Friday last two days before the final was to be played.
If Kiltale were serious about their objection why did they not object to this four weeks ago ?? the week after the county final ? It seems very strange that they only objected the week after the semi finals were played and two days before the final, very strange , very strange indeed.
It would be interesting to know who came up with the idea of objecting ?
was it the players ?
was it the management ?
was it just the club or all of the above together ??
I would say the Kildalkey club are very angry about this, Brendan Davis was one of their past members and they put up this cup in his memory.

What happens now ? Kiltale are now back in the competition now ?? Will the BD cup now be redrawn ??
One other taught that springs to mind, If the Leinster council ruled that the Kiltale objection was in order and that the CB & CCCC broke rules by omitting Kiltale from the BD cup, and remember they Leinster council can only make a judgement for or against an objection by quoting a rule infringement, well are all of the other Meath Club knockout competitions not also out of order. Will they all now not have to be redrawn and replayed ??"
If the competitions in question, Feis Cup, Brendan Davis Cup etc. started in time I.e. early summer the issue of omitting the championship winners, in its self an illegal act, would not arise as the champions would not be known at that time.

This is not the first time that officialdom has let this county down badly. We had the Senior football relegation fiasco between Rathkenny and Walterstown which went to Leinster Council and where our county board were found to have acted incorrectly. As a result the SFC is still a matter of contention and all efforts at reforming it to date has failed. It is not often remembered that attempts to make up the MHC a few years ago was also found to illegal on appeal to the Leinster Council and the whole competition had to be redrawn.

Finally it costs clubs good money, €100, to enter those competitions so they cannot be excluded at the whim of any official.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 05/11/2018 15:50:32    2149684

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So at the County Board monthly meeting last night the Brendan Davis cup was made null and void for 2018 because the CCCC broke the rules in omitting Kiltale from the knockout competition. The Feish cup , Boyne Cup and Tailteann Cups are all ok because the county champions, Dunboyne,Longwood did not object to been left out of the competition.
What have Kiltale achieved by Objecting ???
They have done a great disservice to the Memory of Brendan Davis and the competition organised in his honour. Brendan was a truly great Meath Hurling man , he lived for Kildalkey and Meath hurling.
I see on the last post that cubs were charged €100 to participate in the Brendan Davis cup, this will now have to be refunded to the club as the competition was deemed null and void because the CB broke the rules. Thats 20 clubs to be refunded
€2000 back to clubs ,.

gardentree (Meath) - Posts: 194 - 06/11/2018 13:41:26    2149866

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If anything Kiltale are to be commended for appealing it and highlighting the disgraceful carry on of the Meath county board and more directly the CCC who have had a truly awful year. It is a complete and utter joke that these competitions were being played at the end of the year anyway, as there was ample time to play them at the start of year as a pre tournament to the league. Also Kiltale had a 4 week gap between the county final and there Leinster match, a time in which they could have easily participated in this competition. Walkovers were given all over the place as teams were out of the championship by then and some didn't bother with it. The way the Meath CCC conduct there business is appalling. Making up rules as they go along and to just exclude teams from a competition because of the CCC's failure to run a competition properly is outrageous. Also lets not forget quote of the year from one of the members of this committee - 'Player welfare is not the responsibility of the Meath CCC'

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 565 - 06/11/2018 14:36:18    2149881

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A mess this is - the out set as one of the post mentioned already the CB did wrong and now the club becomes the victim. It is like the house draw - not all clubs sold tickets and they had reason for not doing this but the CB ignored them and then the draw is postponed - same thing again the club becomes the victim.

ALLGAA32 (Meath) - Posts: 57 - 06/11/2018 14:49:14    2149883

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Kiltale objected to this 3 - 4 weeks ago according to last nights information
So anybody trying to claim it was a last minute objection due to the final pairing needs to go back to drawing board
Fair play to them

hurlit (Meath) - Posts: 312 - 06/11/2018 15:01:38    2149891

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