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It should be our main priority to get into div1. Everthing should be built towards getting back to playing against top teams as this will have a huge mental improvement on our players. Foley91 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 27/05/2018 21:59:19 2104379 Link 0 |
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I know but too many players has walked away and that has to be sorted we just can't lose them players
meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 27/05/2018 22:01:07 2104380 Link 12 |
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Hiya Furlong, its good to see someone with your passion and desire posting here and I hope you continue to do so. Whilst your posts referencing past years events may annoy people on here, your knowledge of the game and of Meath in particular, should not be questioned. I suppose though that the current management will have to face scrutiny as it is difficult for people to see any real progress under them. Barely surviving in Division 2 this year coupled with today's defeat and possible defeat next time out and with a growing list of names either leaving the panel or not being picked plus no development of any effective style of play has to raise questions. I am not advocating a change of Manager but I do think if he is to stay on that he will have to show a willingness to change his management style and approach because there has been no improvement.(To be fair there probably has been an improvement in fitness levels but surely that has to be a given in this day and age) If this forum was around in the early 80's and if you asked people to name a manager for Meath at the time, i doubt any would have answered 'Boylan.'. In the same vein if people were asked to suggest names for the Carlow and Laois jobs in the last few years maybe the current lads would not have been top of the list. Yet all have came in and improved things to different degrees. So who knows who else is out there that might come in and drive the improvement that we all desire? ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 27/05/2018 22:04:19 2104382 Link 1 |
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At times today it looked like the full forward position was about giving that player (whoever they were, as it was rotating from one player to another) some time to take a breather from any defensive duties. They were isolated from the rest of the team, so ineffective as our sole forward inside. Especially with so many players behind the ball and running with it all the time. The corner forwards were as far back as the full back line on occasions. GlasagusOr (Meath) - Posts: 1348 - 27/05/2018 22:05:49 2104384 Link 0 |
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I am not going to get into an extended debate with you about the relative merits of all of these managers but I will say one thing. Andy does not seem to be a good man manager of players and he does not seem to have anyone on his backroom team capable of filling that void. As I said earlier Sean Boylan had Brian Smyth and others that filled that role. Man management and relationship development are crucial in the county game, perhaps more so than in the club where you are dealing with a specific set of players for better or worse. In my opinion, after 2 seasons with the squad Andy does not seem to have held on to the best squad of players out there in the county. Then again that's just my opinion. If you were at the game today you would have seen that most of the players were trying hard but the conviction and belief was not there. truely they were just not good enough. Also, in my opinion most of the players mentioned above would have improved the team or at least the bench. To lose that many is a grave indictment on the manager so I would say there are quite a few management teams that I would put ahead of ours at this stage. Of course they wont turn us into All Ireland or even Leinster winners in the short term but would have been an improvement on what we saw today. oldsam_newsam (Meath) - Posts: 638 - 27/05/2018 22:08:36 2104386 Link 1 |
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Colm O'Rourke is all mouth an no trousers.
GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 27/05/2018 22:09:38 2104388 Link 2 |
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we know that but on today we are not even a division 2 team
meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 27/05/2018 22:15:14 2104393 Link 13 |
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Thought Andy should stay but too many players dropping off the panel, some of these are: Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 27/05/2018 22:15:54 2104395 Link 13 |
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What we need is something very simple. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 27/05/2018 22:18:41 2104397 Link 1 |
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he won two in a row Meath championships and he knows the club scen and would be well liked by players
meath1977 (Meath) - Posts: 459 - 27/05/2018 22:21:09 2104401 Link 14 |
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Was at the game today and can honestly say the better team one. My aggrievence with the team today are thebigjoeshow (Meath) - Posts: 63 - 27/05/2018 22:24:54 2104403 Link 0 |
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Yer all missing what's wrong. Andy should stay were he is but just like Walsh brought in Paddy Tally (Tyrone), Carlow brought in Poacher (Down), Meath need to bring in a top coach who also is a great man manager. Sure we all know Andy's bloodline , man management is not something is his core attribute. Top coaches can improve a team with average players. Meath are an average bunch but a top coach won't have them losing to likes of Longford. Players look uncertain , not fully bought into what Andy is selling and their either jumping ship for that reason or just don't respect him. Players crave structure and want to follow a real coach who they believe in. Players are not improving under Andy individually or collectively and this Meath team is crying out for a top coach Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 27/05/2018 22:28:28 2104406 Link 0 |
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If I was Gonna Pick A Team or the next day.. grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 27/05/2018 22:30:02 2104410 Link 10 |
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I dont think I am being sarcastic. People having being very sarcastic towards myself and others and dont see people pulling them up. What was I called Grandpa Simpson above. People keep telling me stay in the here and now. And I ask a relevant here and now question. I have no problem with people criticising whatsoever I am critical also. I am literally scared if we go down the road of sacking again. It will get worse. We had between 2007 to 2013 in 6 years we had 4 managers in 6 years. We ended up in div 3..Lost our first two games under O Dowd and were heading to div 4. If McEntee goes this year we would have 4 managers in 6 years again. What are the chances the same thing will happen we will go the way of laois and Derry. I think the chances are high. Truth be told with exception of Coyler in his first year our last few managers I had my doubts. I looked at their CV and wasn't really impressed. But still we should have given Barry O Brien and Banty another year. We gave O Dowd to many years. Its a balance. I look at McEntees CV and it is top class better then McGuiness or Horan when they took over. I heard Dublin players like Conal Keaney and McAuley raving about McEntee. For me he is our best option. I dont see any credible alternative. Why I keep bringing up the past is simple what people are expecting McEntee turn around a traditional county in the doldrums in a year or two , outside Kevin Heffernan in 1974 with Dublin its never been done before in the history of leinster football. No manager not even the two greatest managers could do it in a year or two. There asking McEntee to do something unheard of in leinster turn a traditional county in the doldrums in to county that is sucessful consistently over a couple of seasons. It takes seasons to do that. Even outside leinster with the exception of a few Ulster counties eg harte Tyrone McGuiness Donegal turning around counties takes years. Ulster has the best players and managers best teams. Thats my point. Its never beeen done before . The only way is over 4 to 5 year period with a top class manager. For me McEntee is the best bet. Im not trying to be funny. But people have said maybe 8 or 9 times McEntee must go. I am now asking for the 7th time on this forum can anyone give one credible candidate to take over if he goes. Who takes over. I think that is an obvious and proper question to ask when people are calling for the managers head. someone mentioned O Rourke. Yep good CV. Definatly a good one. But is he a credible candidate in that he has been in the running at least 3 times and I think pulled his name or didnt put it forward. I dont know what happened. Hes 60 hes very busy in the media/ school principal I would have serious doubts O Rourke will ever manage Meath. His time was late mid 00s. Its doubtful he will put his name forward. And there would be people who would not be fans of O Rourke. I would be. But many wouldnt rate him as a manager.I dont think he really is credible candidate as I dont see him putting his name forward when he is now over 60. So again and I am not being funny can you name this top class manager to replace McEntee. One name thats credible. We cannot keep sacking managers the last time we had 4 managers in 6 years we ended up in div 3 looking towards div 4. What r the chances it happens again. Again criticise I actually agree with so much of the criticism no problem whatsoever what people you are entitled to be angry. It is normal reaction. I dont care what people say as long as we dont go down the road sacking managers when we have no viable option lined up. I am literally scared what will happen if he goes. Coz i don't see any hope at all then. Just a massive nosedive. What do i know its only my opinion. Just a viewpoint. Its irrelevant in the general run of things. Im just a bogger from the backend of the county from county Meath who love his county. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1046 - 27/05/2018 22:43:19 2104422 Link 11 |
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Is a managers job not to coach..If hes not good at the man management and on Field coaching side of things then why the hell is he there..I dont expect him to be out there involved in every part of Training but he should have a lot to do with it..
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 27/05/2018 22:44:23 2104425 Link 11 |
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Again players are leaving across the country Wexford 16 players Cork 17 or 18 Derry 19 Offaly 16 Down 14 Antrim all since last year's the amount of players from panels that have left since last year in div 2 3 and 4 team is genuinely extraordinary . Its a massive national problem.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1046 - 27/05/2018 22:50:11 2104429 Link 12 |
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Exactly. Every player available playing and this only happens when we have a setup players buy into and one in which they feel they are treated with respect and fairness. New management therefore required. I don't care who. It could be anyone from Cian Ward to Shane McAnarney to Colm O Rourke to Kevin Reilly. Plenty of football people in Meath. Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 27/05/2018 22:56:03 2104431 Link 12 |
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Yes I wasnt at the match. I was at most of the league matchs and byrne cup final. Ihave been following Meath for 35 years. Have been at most league games and every championship match with exception of 2014 leinstet final as couldnt get out of bed with sore back was on crutches. Missed the whole championship of 08 (wasnt I lucky )when travelling Austraila with my girlfriend. I have been to every championship match every year since 83 ..I missed today because I had to look after a sick parent , two sick parents actually. I missed 1 game last year also. So I wasnt at the match today. So I am only talking with reports from lMFM and radio tv net. So you are right I dont have the full picture today. That is a fair criticism to make of me. Thats fair enough. The reason I talk about the past is we can learn from past mistakes. Its just my viewpoint I could be right I could wrong. its a bad day for Meath football. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1046 - 27/05/2018 22:57:54 2104432 Link 12 |
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O'Sullivan too inconsistent. Better left as sub I think.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/05/2018 23:29:35 2104445 Link 1 |
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Despite the heartbreak at the loss today. While I was driving home I thought of all the people who'd be on here calling for Andy's head. Not one of them have disappointed me. Add to that not one of them congratulated team on winning obc. Why have we so many lil whingers in our county? royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/05/2018 23:39:48 2104449 Link 0 |