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Anybody else think if we had a better kick out Strategy would do wonders for Andy Mac teams....the quality of passing coming from that area is very poor, Andy Mac wants his team to play a possession game type ,the fundamentals of this game type is a kick out Strategy and the goalkeepers hit rate of finding a player needs to be in the 80% rate !

Why is this lacking from the game plan ?









Will i get accused of gassing the Syrian people because i asked the question about the lack of kick out strategy from Andy Macs team ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 16/04/2018 16:22:31    2093336

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Replying To nobull456:  "What is your answer to the problem. I think we can all accept that no man will be made to measure when starting to fill the role of a modern day manager at this level. It's all about learning now."
I don't have a straight answer to that.

Look, if players believe in a setup and the direction its going in, then everybody hops on board and away you go. You then also have to keep the men on the periphery happy - lads can't go up training however many times a week and then watch lads who didn't perform three matches in a row still keep their place. They then feel like they are basically training cones. This creates disharmony and is maybe why you many of the lads who didn't get chances in the league reportedly stepping away. If you add in a pinch of nepotism into the mix, then things can quickly turn toxic.

Now certain lads on this will be on here saying that lads should be privileged just to be involved with Meath but players don't see it that way, especially on a team thats not currently enjoying any success. If they see that their committment isn't being respected, they will walk. I do feel a degree of sympathy for management as given the resources and advantages given to Dublin, it must be hard to get lads fully on board even if doing everything right.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 16/04/2018 16:27:40    2093338

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Replying To ISupposeSoSheehan:  "I know, I thought you were clutching at straws a bit but that doesn't take away from your post. We should've beaten Donegal. A lack of experience on the pitch and sideline maybe cost us and it took a bit of class from Paddy Mc Brearty to win it for them. The 2015 defeat to Tyrone was another championship bow that gave us reasons to be optimistic for the next season. It was dire stuff in Omagh that day but we were able to play them at their own game. It must be said that these Ulster counties have our number in the championship!"
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Think dunboynelad is speaking of the game v Tyrone in Croke Park. As the game in Omagh was horrendous on every level. It reminded me of a cat playing with a mouse. Tyrone were laughing at us that day. And the comments afterwards that it was a success cause we went toe to toe with them for 20 minutes was for me one of the lowest ebbs in Meath football, as if we were a Carlow type team.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 16/04/2018 18:37:42    2093367

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I
Think dunboynelad is speaking of the game v Tyrone in Croke Park. As the game in Omagh was horrendous on every level. It reminded me of a cat playing with a mouse. Tyrone were laughing at us that day. And the comments afterwards that it was a success cause we went toe to toe with them for 20 minutes was for me one of the lowest ebbs in Meath football, as if we were a Carlow type team."
And I'm speaking of our latest championship game against Tyrone in 2015. Two different games. I don't think people were saying that day in Omagh was a success as such for Meath but there were plenty of positives to take from it. Tyrone certainly played the game on their own terms and the conditions were atrocious and I remember we had enough chances to win it.

ISupposeSoSheehan (Meath) - Posts: 85 - 16/04/2018 20:36:07    2093393

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Replying To WhyTheLongFace:  "Anybody else think if we had a better kick out Strategy would do wonders for Andy Mac teams....the quality of passing coming from that area is very poor, Andy Mac wants his team to play a possession game type ,the fundamentals of this game type is a kick out Strategy and the goalkeepers hit rate of finding a player needs to be in the 80% rate !

Why is this lacking from the game plan ?









Will i get accused of gassing the Syrian people because i asked the question about the lack of kick out strategy from Andy Macs team ?"
Seemed to have one at the start of the league but it faded as games went on.

Barney123 (Meath) - Posts: 676 - 16/04/2018 20:53:27    2093398

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At the time the Donegal performace last summer was heartening, but a week later that same Donegal team got beaten out the gate by Galway which put a bit of a dampener on things.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1391 - 16/04/2018 20:56:53    2093399

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "At the time the Donegal performace last summer was heartening, but a week later that same Donegal team got beaten out the gate by Galway which put a bit of a dampener on things."
Ah but a couple of posters with the blinkers on think that that Donegal team were a top 8 team.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 17/04/2018 01:03:34    2093436

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "At the time the Donegal performace last summer was heartening, but a week later that same Donegal team got beaten out the gate by Galway which put a bit of a dampener on things."
Yes,very true. and there was a fair few lows since then. Cork game been up there with strangest and lack luster performances from a Meath team I have ever seen. Not helped by the side line either. It was like a very slow car crash.

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1192 - 17/04/2018 08:53:41    2093445

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Replying To Crinigan:  "I can't answer what? Your question that players on starting 15 or who play seem to have confidence in management? Well, that's clearly not true given the drop offs recently and last year of players who are actually playing. I thought that much was obvious so your question doesn't make sense.

Everyone knows I'm a Skryne man so obviously I've no allegiance to Sean Tobin or D Tobin. However the dogs on the street know that D Tobin is a far better footballer than the man who took his position in the team last year and that S Tobin, among othere's like Harry Rooney and Mark McCabe who were in my view, not used properly in the league this year.

I don't have it in for the management team either and thought they were the best men for the job, I'm just wondering why so many players have dropped off, it's unprecedented in any county. Hopefully however differences can be patched up before Longford but that doesn't mean people shouldn't assume that the players are buying into setup, too many clearly are not and we simply can't afford this drop off rate.

You clearly have a pro Dunboyne agenda though which is fair enough. And Dunboyne are well represented you'd have to say!"
I agree with the point regarding Donnacha Tobin, is it really a coincidence that Harnan, D Tobin, Carry and Douglas all dropped themselves off the panel in the last year??

Meathmaster (Meath) - Posts: 251 - 17/04/2018 12:00:57    2093488

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Replying To browncows:  "Ah but a couple of posters with the blinkers on think that that Donegal team were a top 8 team."
Then look what happened to Galway? Some posters were very critical after what happened v tipp.
Also some posters didn't rate the Galway team we beat last year. Look at Galway now.
Donegal by virtue of been in division one were a top 8 team. To say otherwise is nonsensical

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 17/04/2018 13:53:39    2093548

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "At the time the Donegal performace last summer was heartening, but a week later that same Donegal team got beaten out the gate by Galway which put a bit of a dampener on things."
But now one of the only genuine contenders to dubs is Galway. And we beat them in league.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 17/04/2018 14:03:15    2093556

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Replying To royaldunne:  "But now one of the only genuine contenders to dubs is Galway. And we beat them in league."
Mayo and Kerry are contenders ...Galway we just don't really know yet because they were playing at a championship tempo all through the league while the rest Dublin,Kerry,Tyrone and Mayo were all keeping there gun powder dry.

But i guess if Pat Spillane says Galway are top notch it must be true...bear in mind Cute Kerry Hoorisim my be at play here !

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 17/04/2018 14:45:36    2093569

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The season isn't over yet but if we are to look at where we are now Vs when Andy took over are we in a better place? The simple answer is no.

We have failed to progress in the league and our style of football is abysmal. Players are leaving left, right and center. If people are seriously suggesting they are leaving because training is too hard I'd guess they have never been closer to a team than watching from the stands. If players are confident in the way a team is a going the vast majority of players will do anything to be a part of the group. Andy and his management team clearly have not inspired that confidence.

Should we look in a new direction? If Andy is serious about bringing the senior footballers forward, he needs to sit down with those who feel disaffected and react to their feedback. If he fails to do this giving him more time will be time wasted, something Meath football can ill afford. The county board should have contingency plans in place.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 17/04/2018 14:54:37    2093572

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Replying To royaldunne:  "But now one of the only genuine contenders to dubs is Galway. And we beat them in league."
As has been proved numerous times over the years - the NFL and SFC are totally different and form is very hard to carry over, in the norm, from one to the other. Expect Mayo to defeat Galway in Castlebar next month.

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 17/04/2018 15:04:36    2093577

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "As has been proved numerous times over the years - the NFL and SFC are totally different and form is very hard to carry over, in the norm, from one to the other. Expect Mayo to defeat Galway in Castlebar next month."
Really? Dublin have won 5 out of the last 6, think their record in the championship is pretty good. Meath have been anywhere from 10th to 14th in the league over the past few years, similar in championship, Generally lower ranking teams who have a break out year in the championship do it on the back of a strong league. Mayo have been a division 1 team for 20 odd years and they have been there or thereabout in the championship every year. Mayo could well be Galway in a few weeks time, but it wont be the end of either team in this years championship, both will still have a big say. The teams that finished in the top 6 of Division one are the 6 best teams in the country at present.

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 17/04/2018 15:33:51    2093588

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Replying To Barney123:  "Seemed to have one at the start of the league but it faded as games went on."
That is interesting Barney....because if you look back we were in decent shape at the start of the league with a draw against Roscommon away (who won division 2 outright)and a good win against Clare !

So what changed against Cavan,Tipperary and Cork ? My opinion would be that these mangers Analyzed the dvds of the previous Meath matches and analyzed our kick out strategy so they would know on match day how to deal with it !

You can't have the same kick out strategy every game..that just to predictable and daft !

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 17/04/2018 16:33:13    2093618

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Replying To longroadback:  "Really? Dublin have won 5 out of the last 6, think their record in the championship is pretty good. Meath have been anywhere from 10th to 14th in the league over the past few years, similar in championship, Generally lower ranking teams who have a break out year in the championship do it on the back of a strong league. Mayo have been a division 1 team for 20 odd years and they have been there or thereabout in the championship every year. Mayo could well be Galway in a few weeks time, but it wont be the end of either team in this years championship, both will still have a big say. The teams that finished in the top 6 of Division one are the 6 best teams in the country at present."
League and championship are intertwined with form. And have been for many a year now.
You are absolutely correct

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 17/04/2018 17:19:08    2093626

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Then look what happened to Galway? Some posters were very critical after what happened v tipp.
Also some posters didn't rate the Galway team we beat last year. Look at Galway now.
Donegal by virtue of been in division one were a top 8 team. To say otherwise is nonsensical"
Donegal were not a top 8 team last year as championship showed - You should know that championship performance is what counts (your idea of nonsensical differs from the opinions that many hold) . Meath should have beaten Galway in Salthill 3 years ago but for one of 'your' key players passing the ball to the opposition (on four occasions) in the last 6 minutes of that match having come from 6-7 points down. By the way I always judge performance on championship in both club and county -not leagues which are played in difficult ground conditions and suits slower players .

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 17/04/2018 18:44:59    2093641

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'longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 140' - Basing your analysis on one teams performance (Dublin) to make a general point does not make for good analysis.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2189 - 17/04/2018 18:49:06    2093642

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Replying To browncows:  "Donegal were not a top 8 team last year as championship showed - You should know that championship performance is what counts (your idea of nonsensical differs from the opinions that many hold) . Meath should have beaten Galway in Salthill 3 years ago but for one of 'your' key players passing the ball to the opposition (on four occasions) in the last 6 minutes of that match having come from 6-7 points down. By the way I always judge performance on championship in both club and county -not leagues which are played in difficult ground conditions and suits slower players ."
So then there is absolutely no issue with Meath league performance this year? Glad also to see that you have got over the fact that we beat Galway with mod.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 17/04/2018 19:59:25    2093657

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