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Absolutely.
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 24/02/2018 21:08:42 2079794 Link 0 |
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Yep I have to agree, the reality is that if you compare say the Tipperary players and what they have achieved at both underage and to be fair at senior over the last few years to what the current crop of Meath players have achieved, then tonights result is not surprising. Same with the Cavan squad ( although they are probably disappointed that they have'nt really kicked on as a senior team) and the result last week. The fact is that we have a crop of players who are probably working hard but just are not good enough, and in those circumstances you can have whatever management team you want but without at least a few exceptional players, you have to be realistic about what you can achieve. I think you can argue about the Paddy O'Rourke interview and the merits of it, but I actually think he was just being honest about the current situation and how hard it is to dedicate so much of your life to what is to all intents and purposes a damage limitation exercise. In my opinion at the moment given our results over the last few years and the players at our disposal, a realistic aim for the team is to retain division 2 status, look to beat Longford in the first Championship game and then try and win a game or two in the qualifiers and thats it. Given that scenario, then I think the players who are putting in the effort at the moment deserve credit, but we have to be realistic about what they can achieve. I think we should be just safe enough in the division this year, but we have to beat Louth and it would be good to win one of the other two games. ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 178 - 24/02/2018 21:14:55 2079795 Link 1 |
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Don't think it would have mattered if we had Superman in goals tonight. The root of the problem was in midfield tonight. No ingenuity, couldn't find a pass and most depressing of all giving possession away. Absolutely awful stuff. Liked Gallagher when he was involved with panel and yes he would bring experience but even the best keeper in the world couldn't work with what's there at the moment.
ClonardGael (Meath) - Posts: 75 - 24/02/2018 21:20:34 2079799 Link 1 |
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Poor decision to take him off, said he was fine and only minutes to half time.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/02/2018 21:20:53 2079800 Link 14 |
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Lads - who is your 2018 player of the year? bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1668 - 24/02/2018 21:29:52 2079802 Link 0 |
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Menton been the best of a bad bunch I would say
redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 306 - 24/02/2018 21:38:53 2079805 Link 0 |
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Bad display again tonight . Completely clueless when we have the ball a lot of stupid sideways handpassing . To sub 2 players off in 25 mins into a game is not good for the confidence of the players and is very unfair to tobin especially. Tobin was raged with the decision . We wont win anything with this kind of football. I really cant understand that we are this bad SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 168 - 24/02/2018 21:43:19 2079808 Link 4 |
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Hopefully not, if so, we may be heading to Div 3. Taking Tobin off on stroke of half time was not a good decision. Only adds to any unrest
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/02/2018 21:50:15 2079811 Link 13 |
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Over-Coaching It looks like excessive input from the manger while the players are playing in such a way that the coach's input becomes debilitating to the player's ability to perform to the best of their ability and stifles their development. In short, the coach is playing instead of the player, making all of their decisions for them. Is over-coaching a problem? Is training 6 days a week also problem ? I see this as a problem. Too often, mangers feel an undue pressure to win games and therefore over-coach the players. As a result, at game time, and during practice, making it impossible for the players to enjoy themselves and express themselves on the field. What are the effects on players and coaches of over-coaching, both long and short term? Mostly, the players end up quitting. They do not want to subject themselves to this "hostile" environment of 6 day a week training . They rebel against the pressures and hyper supervision of the manager . If they do hang on, they lack creativity in their play, or the ability to solve the games' problems by themselves. Thus, their development is retarded and they are no longer able to meet the demands of the game at the next level. I think looking at the last two Meath losses it has Over-Coaching written all over it ! People will say you're only good as you're tools meaning that Andy doesn't have the players to work with to win matches ! I personally don't believe that...i seen here at our own club level eg Davy Cahill winning with teams that he had no right in winning with..basically he hadn't the tools if you want to call it that ! Best underage soccer system in the world ? England club Academies ! Still never won a world for the last 50 years ! Best underage rugby Academies in the world ? England and France not New Zealand ! just saying. WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 829 - 24/02/2018 21:57:41 2079817 Link 16 |
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the table wont lie in a few weeks,we will finish 6th which is about right,we are better than Louth and Clare but unfortunately we be heading to division 3 in 2019 with teams coming up and down that are better than us this year.we are going back-ways but to be fair to Andy mac he just does not have the talent. thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 856 - 24/02/2018 22:06:37 2079823 Link 1 |
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Will not pretend to know anything about over coaching, but what you outlined has a ring of truth to it and would go some way to explain our proformances in 2018.
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/02/2018 22:16:23 2079827 Link 13 |
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I am nearly sure that Clare have yet to play Louth. Now if Clare win that then they would leapfrog us on the table if we don't get something from the Cork and Down games. That leaves us having to beat Louth in the final game. What happened the last time that happened? And by the way I think Clare are nowhere near as bad as they appeared against us. It now reminds me of the destruction of Kerry all those years ago and nothing has gone right since for the county.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 742 - 24/02/2018 22:30:16 2079834 Link 0 |
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i'm beginning to think we have been cursed since the leinster final in 2010
thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 856 - 24/02/2018 22:42:33 2079842 Link 5 |
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Clare are at home to Louth, so would expect them to move on to four points, meaning we have to get something from remaining matches. Two home with Louth away in between. Its in our own hands at present, we cannot rely on other results going our way
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/02/2018 22:46:59 2079847 Link 12 |
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Dont mention the curse!
seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1432 - 24/02/2018 22:48:28 2079848 Link 11 |
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Well if Andy has lost the dressing room then we are in serious trouble cause it's the players attitude that would in qs. Ask any of them ballboden lads that won an all ireland....theyd have jumped out in front of a bus for mcentee .....and I know that for a fact. He is getting some things wrong in my opinion but if he has lost the dressing room then these players don't have the same drive and ambition as he does. These are the facts....and can't be ignored
southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 24/02/2018 22:54:59 2079853 Link 13 |
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We have cork at home next. then away to louth and last game home vs down. The way we are set up and playing it will be hard to get 1 win from these 3 . I think andy has lost the dressing room. Since the clare game something seems to be off and leaving late team lineups might be linked with it. Normally the team is the same maybe apart from tobin not starting etc. I could be wrong but tonight we were very flat SheridansTry (Meath) - Posts: 168 - 24/02/2018 22:55:01 2079854 Link 2 |
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The Tobin incident would not indicate strong man management skills. The climate of fear within the team does not look healthy either. Andy is what he is ...a novice and maybe his over anxiety shows his inexperience,. and has a negative effect on the team now to an almost unreal extent. Not sure if his style is to demand that players follow him or to influence by coaching to bring people with him...If it is the former he can forget it. In fairness the players available now are not strong enough. but without strong man management we will not progress anyway
nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 841 - 24/02/2018 23:03:57 2079857 Link 3 |
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Seadog that is the PK curse aka the great Paddy Keenan.
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 24/02/2018 23:29:01 2079866 Link 1 |
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It's not often that I get really depressed leaving a game but by god I was depressed leaving Thurles, don't know what to say really, I missed the Cavan match but was expecting a response tonight and it never really materialised, promotion now gone and we're just looking for points to achieve consolidation in the division, that in itself is a major disappointment Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3590 - 24/02/2018 23:33:13 2079869 Link 13 |