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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well then you should talk to the players who weren't happy sitting on the bench. Not to me. As they ones who walked. Funny enough none of the colgan, keoghan McGill burke/lavin j mcentee power s mcentee menton Kennelly/Flanagan ,O'Sullivan Brennan Reilly lenihane McMahon j wallace e wallace didn't walk. Perhaps those who did weren't happy with been subs. It certainly looks that way. It's there to be seen."
If a few of them walked it wouldn't be the worst thing

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 26/04/2018 21:15:46    2095177

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well then you should talk to the players who weren't happy sitting on the bench. Not to me. As they ones who walked. Funny enough none of the colgan, keoghan McGill burke/lavin j mcentee power s mcentee menton Kennelly/Flanagan ,O'Sullivan Brennan Reilly lenihane McMahon j wallace e wallace didn't walk. Perhaps those who did weren't happy with been subs. It certainly looks that way. It's there to be seen."
It's time you took off those green and gold blinkers and realised Meath are going nowhere under McEntee. In fact we have gone backwards unfortunately

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 26/04/2018 21:43:35    2095179

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "It's time you took off those green and gold blinkers and realised Meath are going nowhere under McEntee. In fact we have gone backwards unfortunately"
You, like many posters on here are happy to snipe from the sidelines, but you offer zero by way of a solution.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 26/04/2018 22:01:12    2095184

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People on here need to get real for a second, there was no need for four training sessions in one week during April as all lads are training with their clubs. Can someone on here explain why we need four?
A collective training session with all ball work once a week of a Wednesday (agree it with the clubs) during April would have been enough.
Why was there a need for a bleep test?
What ever way people want to look at it there is a serious lack of player management by Andy this year. (I am not calling for his head but this is a big mark against him) Look at his treatment of the younger players like Conlon and O Neill. I can completely understand why 6 lads have walked away, surprised it isn't more.

With regards to the lads who left, McKeever is probably the biggest loss as he has been the standout player in the senior championship the last two years, he had a very good league with Meath and would have been a starter come championship with the form he has been in. Conlon had gone off the boil a small but he is young yet so I will expect him to regain that form. Tobin was your impact sub when you need someone to change the game who else is going to do that?
Dardis and Toner didn't see much game time during the league and probably weren't going to make it this year but both are excellent footballers for next year. Us as supporters have too much expectation of Rooney, the lad is only back from Australia he probably played very little football in the year down under yet most people on here were expecting him to comeback and slot straight in. Anyone who was at the Summerhill game the last day will see that Rooney has a lot of work to do.

Someone has already said it on here but we have gone backwards since the start of the league.

The big game now is Westmeath, Andy needs to build a winning mentality especially with the new guys that have come in.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 126 - 26/04/2018 22:07:12    2095185

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "You, like many posters on here are happy to snipe from the sidelines, but you offer zero by way of a solution."
Well what do u offer then...

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 26/04/2018 22:47:26    2095190

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "You, like many posters on here are happy to snipe from the sidelines, but you offer zero by way of a solution."
Let's hear your solution then. This should make for interesting reading.

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 809 - 26/04/2018 22:54:05    2095191

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Lads there is more to all of this, there are at least 2 and probably more of the lads that have dropped off the panel heading to the states for the summer, I'm sure that they are not doing that for the good of their health, plenty of $$$$ on offer.

On a side issue but gives a picture of what is expected... lads were expected to be down on the Laois Carlow border to play that challenge the other night 5pm??? That means many of them would have have been on the road shortly after 3pm to play a challenge. now I that takes serious commitment and a very understanding employer... just think what is expected of lads is pure crazy.... are Meath alone in that?? no wonder lads wont commit

longroadback (Meath) - Posts: 300 - 27/04/2018 09:38:29    2095220

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Replying To longroadback:  "Lads there is more to all of this, there are at least 2 and probably more of the lads that have dropped off the panel heading to the states for the summer, I'm sure that they are not doing that for the good of their health, plenty of $$$$ on offer.

On a side issue but gives a picture of what is expected... lads were expected to be down on the Laois Carlow border to play that challenge the other night 5pm??? That means many of them would have have been on the road shortly after 3pm to play a challenge. now I that takes serious commitment and a very understanding employer... just think what is expected of lads is pure crazy.... are Meath alone in that?? no wonder lads wont commit"
Ahh now that is a reasonable summarization. It won't wash with those who just want to blame Andy (I'm actually not saying he is blameless) as I think the professional set up he is trying to introduce for what maybe very little return was done with too little inflexibility.
But don't you know he is Satan reincarnated according to some.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/04/2018 10:36:54    2095232

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh now that is a reasonable summarization. It won't wash with those who just want to blame Andy (I'm actually not saying he is blameless) as I think the professional set up he is trying to introduce for what maybe very little return was done with too little inflexibility.
But don't you know he is Satan reincarnated according to some."
It is hard for any manager to get the balance as all counties seem to be going with a professional set up. Not everyone can commit as so many have said beforehand. I just wonder is this professional route the right way to go. I think I would prefer to have our best players available and wanting to play for Meath than players who have the time to give to the professional set up but are not necessarily our best players. Only time will tell but here's hoping that this group of players will get some reward for all the work put in this season.

Poormouth (Meath) - Posts: 193 - 27/04/2018 12:38:16    2095266

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Ahh now that is a reasonable summarization. It won't wash with those who just want to blame Andy (I'm actually not saying he is blameless) as I think the professional set up he is trying to introduce for what maybe very little return was done with too little inflexibility.
But don't you know he is Satan reincarnated according to some."
A good manager gets the best out of what they have. Too many on here are comparing successful sports manager in Soccer and Rugby to a GAA situation. They can demand the highest standards and undying commitment in those sports because their players are making ends meet by making the boss happy. That's not the case in the GAA and in Meath in particular. We are do not have pseudo-professionals like many Dubs, Kerry & Mayo playes.

Meath, unfortunately, do not have an abundance of talent. We need the best 30 lads fighting tooth and nail to get into the starting lineup. That is not happening. Beep tests and the like in club month is not allowing that to happen. Players are walking away due to the actions/demands/standards (insert whatever adjective suits your agenda here). If it's getting results, it's fine but it's not.

That is bad management plain and simple. If the current team management team don't change their approach they need to be changed.

pauk123 (USA) - Posts: 189 - 27/04/2018 14:06:37    2095290

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "Well what do u offer then..."
I wasn't sniping or being negative. I'm quite happy to fully back Andy McEntee rather than conspiring against him. Rome wasn't built in a day.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 27/04/2018 16:30:40    2095322

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "Let's hear your solution then. This should make for interesting reading."
See above. I'm not looking for solutions, I fully support Andy McEntee, it those who don't who have to provide an alternative not those who do.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 27/04/2018 16:32:12    2095324

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "I wasn't sniping or being negative. I'm quite happy to fully back Andy McEntee rather than conspiring against him. Rome wasn't built in a day."
I stood up for Andy and for the record I think he is a good manager but something's seriously wrong with this Meath set up..the amount of talent that has walked away is crazy ! Just out of interest if your happy with Andy what would be your reasoning for that ..looking at his 2 years in charge I don't see an improvement !! Not trying to be negative but that is what I think

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 27/04/2018 20:11:03    2095366

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Replying To grahamc9897:  "I stood up for Andy and for the record I think he is a good manager but something's seriously wrong with this Meath set up..the amount of talent that has walked away is crazy ! Just out of interest if your happy with Andy what would be your reasoning for that ..looking at his 2 years in charge I don't see an improvement !! Not trying to be negative but that is what I think"
I'm happy because it's like has had to rebuild in his first two seasons and there have been ups and downs as you'd expect.

With the game moving towards quasi-professionalism, balancing the demands of clubs and young players quite rightly wanting to see the world it's a tough gig. I appreciate Mick O'Dowd had similar issues to deal with but he had a longer run at it than Andy has so far. There's not a Meath manager out there who could please everyone and not suffer losses from their panel for a multitude if reasons.

I'm not in favour of a revolving door policy when it comes to managers, for me it's counter productive.

GlasgowRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 275 - 27/04/2018 21:29:44    2095377

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At the start of year Andy asked on the chronicle why players were not wanting to play with meath.
Somewhere a long the way something has put players off the pride of playing with meath. What we are hearing is bleep tests running sessions after club games etc.is this what's putting them off or not getting realistic chance of playing.i don't have the answers but if I was manager I'd b looking to my own controllables.
Getting your panel together,having your training coaching spot on build up to your championship.clear up injuries, the usual stuff.
Now we are hearing be it true I don't know about players leaving training overloads etc.
Something's not adding up but Ya must look at yourself first before blaming others just my thoughts.

Reco (Meath) - Posts: 419 - 27/04/2018 21:51:17    2095383

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Replying To GlasgowRoyal:  "I'm happy because it's like has had to rebuild in his first two seasons and there have been ups and downs as you'd expect.

With the game moving towards quasi-professionalism, balancing the demands of clubs and young players quite rightly wanting to see the world it's a tough gig. I appreciate Mick O'Dowd had similar issues to deal with but he had a longer run at it than Andy has so far. There's not a Meath manager out there who could please everyone and not suffer losses from their panel for a multitude if reasons.

I'm not in favour of a revolving door policy when it comes to managers, for me it's counter productive."
Agree completely

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17035 - 27/04/2018 22:47:51    2095397

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Agree completely"
Agree with what Royaldunne... Its OK that Andy has done nothing in 2 league's and 1 championship..soon to do nothing in 2 championship's because we haven't a prayer this year!! Losing players left right and centre ! Rome wasn't built in a day but at the end of this year we will have gone back !! How many years do you give him before you admit he has done nothing ! He's a good manager that has had success but hes done a poor job to date..what's success this years in your eyes Royaldunne??

grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1083 - 27/04/2018 23:36:07    2095404

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Replying To Reco:  "At the start of year Andy asked on the chronicle why players were not wanting to play with meath.
Somewhere a long the way something has put players off the pride of playing with meath. What we are hearing is bleep tests running sessions after club games etc.is this what's putting them off or not getting realistic chance of playing.i don't have the answers but if I was manager I'd b looking to my own controllables.
Getting your panel together,having your training coaching spot on build up to your championship.clear up injuries, the usual stuff.
Now we are hearing be it true I don't know about players leaving training overloads etc.
Something's not adding up but Ya must look at yourself first before blaming others just my thoughts."
I agree completely

Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 28/04/2018 08:02:12    2095418

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "It's time you took off those green and gold blinkers and realised Meath are going nowhere under McEntee. In fact we have gone backwards unfortunately"
I would argue....infact it's quiet obvious...the standard of player in the county has gone backwards......way way backwards , and at the minute whoever is in charge would not make much difference one way or the other. For 15 years, almost every year half of our team were up there with the best in that possition nationwide......Now, bar donal keoghan, we havnt got a player that would make a division 1 team. People need to realise,, we had an illustrious past, doesn't mean it anytging anymore.....are players are middle of the road division 2 standard.....so the performances they are putting in and the manager is getting out of them should be judged as such.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 709 - 28/04/2018 08:25:47    2095420

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "I would argue....infact it's quiet obvious...the standard of player in the county has gone backwards......way way backwards , and at the minute whoever is in charge would not make much difference one way or the other. For 15 years, almost every year half of our team were up there with the best in that possition nationwide......Now, bar donal keoghan, we havnt got a player that would make a division 1 team. People need to realise,, we had an illustrious past, doesn't mean it anytging anymore.....are players are middle of the road division 2 standard.....so the performances they are putting in and the manager is getting out of them should be judged as such."
That's true but at same time a team with a FF line of Newman, McKeever and Lenihan, a half back line of Tobin, Harnan and Conlon, a midfield of Rooney and Menton, a full back line of Keoghan, McGill and Greene/Dalton, a half forward line of O Sullivan, O' Caoilean and Finn/Lowndes/Douglas(defensive half fwd) would be very competitive in Div2 if training smartly and playing good attacking football. For whatever reasons though, we do not have so many of these players available- that FF line in my opinion would have potential to be in top 5 in the country if all playing with confidence.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 926 - 28/04/2018 12:21:29    2095448

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