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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "
Replying To seanorinn:  "it's on Saturday at 3:30pm.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts:4274 - 11/07/2016 15:55:33 1881053

Strange time for a match, they are not helping the supporters who work on Saturday's and other things, strange call for sure. Will there be a good support at this match I wonder????

I suppose when you see the Connaught replay being shoved in between two other finals one can see there is only one winner here and thats the people calling the shot's TV"
The Connacht final replay is not been televised thank god . Woeful stuff couldn't look at a repeat of that again. There have been plenty of Backdoor games at 3-30 on Saturdays . Don't worry it will be our last one . I fully expect Derry to beat us given their recent improvement . We have already played Derry in the league but true to form won't have learnt anything from that game . We never do. Anyway we are team building . Terry needs a few more years before we challange the Tyrones or the monaghans . The future is blue!! Believe !!"
Your being extremely harsh on the connaught final! It was obvious it wasn't going to be a good game because of the horrendous weather conditions but i thought they both did very well to get the scores they did so I for one am very dissapointed the replay is not on TV! Will givney be playing saturday? he has been our best player this season!

5seniormedals (Cavan) - Posts: 58 - 12/07/2016 09:56:33    1881562

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Replying To s goldrick:  "what exactly do you mean by pull the plug and start anew. do you mean get rid of all the current crop of players plus the management team. That would be a bit drastic. in a game there can be one winner, why should it be us."
Not the players.
The players are playing to the manager's instructions / plan.
If it's not working after all the time Terry has been given then he should go along with his backroom team.

I do believe we'll beat Derry but having spells of negative football where we don't score for 20 odd minutes against the likes of Carlow in Breffni Park is not very good. Terry is far too slow to freshen things up and to recognise areas where we are having problems.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/07/2016 09:57:50    1881565

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The vultures are circling, just waiting for The King of Cool.

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 288 - 12/07/2016 10:06:30    1881574

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Replying To Skelling:  "The vultures are circling, just waiting for The King of Cool."
There should be no vultures in Breffni on Saturday.
Some of those Derry players don't even look fit.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/07/2016 10:29:34    1881588

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Replying To Cavan_Slasher:  "There should be no vultures in Breffni on Saturday.
Some of those Derry players don't even look fit."
I thought that too looking at the "highlights" of Derry and Meath, it was like two junior clubs who'd been on the beer together.

cavandub (Cavan) - Posts: 67 - 12/07/2016 11:26:21    1881638

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Replying To fredflint:  "Not too many bookies go bust, you clearly don't understand how the world works, never mind football."
Ok, so Cavan are going to win so. great news !

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 12/07/2016 13:02:55    1881753

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I see Terry has said loosing Givney was a blow and that this year they set up a system around him. Thats fine.
I would question why, when Givney went off in the game against Tyrone, did he put Jack on?
Strange move..... you set up a system with a big man on the square and then replace him with a totally style of footballer, not to mention a smaller man.
Why didn't he use Argue? Big, decent hands, etc...... Ok Argue might not bully lads like Givney does but it wouldn't have been such a change to the system.
Any thoughts?

Play_by_ear (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 12/07/2016 13:30:30    1881783

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A more important question ! if Givney was injured WHY did they play him ?
Why was he not rested and treated so maybe he could play later in the year. If not for Cavan then for his club, who I imagine cannot be too happy with the decision!!

I see they are also charging u16's €5 entry for the back door games, yet the actual championship, they were free !!
Is it that they know numbers will be down and they can dip their hands into the pockets of the people bringing their kids to the game.?

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 12/07/2016 13:56:10    1881809

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Replying To Play_by_ear:  "I see Terry has said loosing Givney was a blow and that this year they set up a system around him. Thats fine.
I would question why, when Givney went off in the game against Tyrone, did he put Jack on?
Strange move..... you set up a system with a big man on the square and then replace him with a totally style of footballer, not to mention a smaller man.
Why didn't he use Argue? Big, decent hands, etc...... Ok Argue might not bully lads like Givney does but it wouldn't have been such a change to the system.
Any thoughts?"
Correct ... But is lumping balls into a big full forward really a system? It's something that might catch the opposition off guard but to think you could use it over the full course of a game is madness.
Just goes to show there nothing else in place. Because if there was Terry would never have brought the subject up.
As you rightly say Argue or Keating could have replaced Givney to keep the so called system going.
It's worrying to think that playing attacking football has changed our system.
What was the game plan before,?
Crazy comments from clearly clueless management running out of ideas .

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 12/07/2016 14:31:42    1881841

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Replying To StirringIt:  "A more important question ! if Givney was injured WHY did they play him ?
Why was he not rested and treated so maybe he could play later in the year. If not for Cavan then for his club, who I imagine cannot be too happy with the decision!!

I see they are also charging u16's €5 entry for the back door games, yet the actual championship, they were free !!
Is it that they know numbers will be down and they can dip their hands into the pockets of the people bringing their kids to the game.?"
They already had big men in there with gmac and Keating. Keating is not at the races at all and there was nothing anyone could have done after Tyrone scored the second goal . We carried the ball every time got turned over and they hit us on the break . We should have started with a quick forward playing off a big man not 3 big men together. Mackey was probably our best and worst player. He holds onto the ball far to much. He got most possession but no end product. Even in Carlow game had chances to play other players in but didn't. Kicked a few into the goalies hands with men in better positions. Also gmac the same . 3 times in second half he declined to give the ball to men in better position s. Re Argue I watched cavan warm up and he dropped every ball that came his way. He must not be going well in training. Hopefully we get a win on Saturday. Best of luck lads .

Breffinifan (Cavan) - Posts: 91 - 12/07/2016 14:39:34    1881851

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Replying To StirringIt:  "A more important question ! if Givney was injured WHY did they play him ?
Why was he not rested and treated so maybe he could play later in the year. If not for Cavan then for his club, who I imagine cannot be too happy with the decision!!

I see they are also charging u16's €5 entry for the back door games, yet the actual championship, they were free !!
Is it that they know numbers will be down and they can dip their hands into the pockets of the people bringing their kids to the game.?"
They already had big men in there with gmac and Keating. Keating is not at the races at all and there was nothing anyone could have done after Tyrone scored the second goal . We carried the ball every time got turned over and they hit us on the break . We should have started with a quick forward playing off a big man not 3 big men together. Mackey was probably our best and worst player. He holds onto the ball far to much. He got most possession but no end product. Even in Carlow game had chances to play other players in but didn't. Kicked a few into the goalies hands with men in better positions. Also gmac the same . 3 times in second half he declined to give the ball to men in better position s. Re Argue I watched cavan warm up and he dropped every ball that came his way. He must not be going well in training. Hopefully we get a win on Saturday. Best of luck lads .

Breffinifan (Cavan) - Posts: 91 - 12/07/2016 14:41:23    1881853

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Sorry lads, haven't been on in a while, deliberately stayed off as I wanted to let Jonsmith, Skelling, Cavan97 and the band of Terry supporters have their say...
Three times we've played Tyrone this year, 2 losses and a draw. I remember after the league final defeat, Terry did an interview about how Tyrone have used the same tactics for the last 9 years, and yet, after 3 games, he still couldn't get it right. Granted, he's up against one of the best managers in the game, but then, in order to compete, you need to be a a top manager.
No personal gripe against Terry, he got us to Division 1, but anyone who thinks that the Championship was nothing short of very disappointing is totally delusional. The general consensus is that management got it wrong tactically, which has been a consistent fault over the last few years. I've even read posts about players not doing what they're told and making changes themselves, what nonsense!
Anyway, roll on the Q/Finals....bus loads will leave Cavan on some Sunday morning.....

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 12/07/2016 14:53:11    1881861

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Injuries beginning to take their toll on the squad now. Let's hope Martin Reilly isn't out for the year.

We never have it easy against Derry and Saturday will be no different. They kicked some outrageous long range points against us in the league, we need to bottle up the space a bit better this time out.

Best of luck to Terry and the lads on Saturday!

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 12/07/2016 15:12:02    1881890

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Replying To deanmartin:  "Sorry lads, haven't been on in a while, deliberately stayed off as I wanted to let Jonsmith, Skelling, Cavan97 and the band of Terry supporters have their say...
Three times we've played Tyrone this year, 2 losses and a draw. I remember after the league final defeat, Terry did an interview about how Tyrone have used the same tactics for the last 9 years, and yet, after 3 games, he still couldn't get it right. Granted, he's up against one of the best managers in the game, but then, in order to compete, you need to be a a top manager.
No personal gripe against Terry, he got us to Division 1, but anyone who thinks that the Championship was nothing short of very disappointing is totally delusional. The general consensus is that management got it wrong tactically, which has been a consistent fault over the last few years. I've even read posts about players not doing what they're told and making changes themselves, what nonsense!
Anyway, roll on the Q/Finals....bus loads will leave Cavan on some Sunday morning....."
Ah Deano, you've been missed. I haven't been saying that much but I do see your point as well as Awwwwnow. Terry has got it wrong in selection and making switches and changes in the championship and we should have reached an Ulster Final in his tenure. I personally think Terry has brought us as far as he possibly can and its time to freshen things up but in reality he will probably stay until 2017. The players and supporters are demoralised at the moment following the Tyrone defeat. Terry unfortunately isn't going to change the first 15 too much at this stage which is a pity as there are some players who will play regardless of form. Our best back on the 40 is also baffling as I said in a previous post.
However, I personally don't like people saying the sooner Cavan are beat the better, I could never say that or wish for Cavan to loose. With regard to the players, no one goes out to play bad and they are seriously busting a gut to get our county back up the pecking order regardless of what we think. Derry are no world beaters, Givney is a big loss but if Cavan play to their ability they should reach an AI quarter final and get the experience of Croker and another big team before Div 1 next year. At the moment this is probably a very hard time for the players but this is an opportunity to get up and react in a positive way when the chips are down.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 12/07/2016 15:53:03    1881935

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half back line poor
no CHB
tend to hold ball in middle third
carry ball into tackles
cant create space inside

all in all a Derry win..... followed by same ol same ol chat

Jimjo (Cavan) - Posts: 63 - 12/07/2016 16:03:05    1881943

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Less than five hours after my prediction, The King of Cool returns.
Pretty boring now.
Hyland out.

Skelling (USA) - Posts: 288 - 12/07/2016 16:19:52    1881956

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Lads I've read all the posts since the Tyrone game and like everyone I was disappointed with the performance but this team is developing, of that I have no doubt but like all teams developing there will be pitfalls and inconsistency along the way.

I do know that these are a wonderful group of young men representing our County that have put in a huge commitment all year. They were gutted after the Tyrone defeat.

So I am calling on all throigh Cavan supportters to get out there next Saturday and show how much we really appreciate and support our team. You have no idaea how much it will mean to them.

With the regard to team selection, Yes Givney and Martin Reilly is a loss but we have genuine big time options. Awnooow is right when he says MIchael Argue has played inside, even Gearoid himself. I would like to see Gerry Smith getting a chance as I've heard great reports about him. Lastly I've said all year that Killian Clarke must play in our full back line and had he been in there at corner back in the replay. when clearly Mickey Harte had Sean Kavanagh drag Rory Dunne out to the middle of the field leaving a huge hole then I don't think we would have been so open for Tyrone goals. Corner back allows him the freedom to go forward sometimes, more so than playing him further out the field. Look at Philly McMahon with Dublin, Frank McGlynn with Donegal or back further Ryan McMenamin with Tyrone. Yes he can sometimes be over exhuberant in the tackle but I've also seen him cleanly dispossess forwards too.

So see you all in Breifne on Saturday afternoon. Best of luck lads. I'll always believe.
Come on the Brefne Blues. This is Cavan.

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 72 - 12/07/2016 22:21:55    1882200

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Sorry about the typo errors on my last post but I think you get the general idea.

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 72 - 12/07/2016 22:39:45    1882216

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I say every club footballer in Cavan is praying for a Derry win so they can all come back out of retirement and play ball again. Same thing different year. To make things worse there will be an influx of club games but together as a result including mid week and bank holiday games.

BootIt (Cavan) - Posts: 136 - 12/07/2016 22:53:56    1882232

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This game will test our dept of panel with start players out, Derry will be no push over but hoping we can get across the line with a win, beating derry is always a great boost and the players will know this a feel.
would like to see pete mcgrath start for us come league

sendithome (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 12/07/2016 23:16:42    1882249

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