SGoldrick...Are you actually serious, give Terry another year, the man has been involved in the County set up 12 years now, and he's away out of his depth at Senior Level - he's had enough chances, more than a lot of managers at County level, but FACT is, we are now having to rebuild from scratch and he is not the man to do that.

So please, stop this nonsense, or else start a new forum where you and your Terry loving pals can discuss all things Terry.

Cavan Football is in dire need of a good shake up, the football is awful to watch, support is declining, we've been outnumbered by opposition fans in our last 2 matches in Breffni!

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 13/07/2015 17:24:25    1752738

calm down Martin, just because you write the word FACT, it doesn't actually make it fact. you do realise that, don't you :)
We have improved quite a bit since Terry took over, there can be no disputing that.
fair enough, if we get relegated to div 3 in the league next year then I think someone else should be given a chance.

who do you actually think we are ? Kerry,Cork,Dublin,Mayo We have no recent history of success bar one solutary Anglo Celt cup in 1997.
you are speaking as if Cavan are entitled to be winning all before them, that we have some sort of right to be dining at the top table, well we don't . The halycon days of the 30s/40s/50s/ 60s even have long gone.

we have no right to expect to beat Roscommon or Monaghan. especially with a depleted squad.

we are improving gradually. It's not so long ago we scored 5 points against the same Roscommon team, got beaten by longford by double scores and shipped a 17 points defeat to Kildare (all in the qualifiers). we have improved since that. perhaps next year will have a full panel available .some of the more experienced guys to play alongside the ever improving youngsters. I think we could give Ulster a good rattle.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 13/07/2015 17:56:10    1752775

its the use of the panel thats the main problem

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 13/07/2015 19:04:22    1752843

Hardtimes
County: Cavan
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Hardtimes, you are a good honest debater.

While it is true that resources are limited, and whilst it is important to invest in underage setups, this must not be done to the detriment of our senior team who are crying out for investment. Nobody remembers who the won the Ulster u21 championship in 2012, everyone knows who won Sam though. What I'm saying is, the senior team has to take precedence over all other teams at all times. There is a hierarchy and we need to be putting our seniors on top. Underage success (although a help) is not required to have a good senior team, they are not mutually exclusive. Monaghan, Mayo, Kerry, very little to shout about at underage.

As for your point about players needing reassurance, that's entirely my point, these players don't have the mental resolve to win important games, they need a man in charge who can instill a bit of self belief in them. I'll also add this. And it was an excellent point that was made to me today by a pal in work. He said, a well trained team will have a manager on the sideline who won't have to raise his voice throughout the 70 minutes. That's because he has all his work done on the training field, and his players have the confidence to execute his plan to the last degree. Then I thought about the antics of a certain someone on our sideline.....It struck me that this management team may not have the confidence of the players. Just a thought......

As for attendances, even the Celt (the managers biggest fans) admitted the attendance was disappointingly low at the Roscommon game. But this will hurt the co.board in the pocket, it is in their financial interest to spend heavily on someone who will bring success.

You can talk about personnel missing and lament it, but man for man, Roscommon were more crippled with injury than we were. Unfortunately luck doesn't come into it either. Hyland was unlucky against Monaghan in 2013 (D Reilly's shot hitting the crossbar). That was all that separated us. He had a chance at redemption this year to prove if we have progressed. Throw in home advantage too. Same result. Roscommon in 2014 and 2015 (both at home), thrashed twice. Again, nothing to do with luck, just not hear good enough.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 13/07/2015 19:12:31    1752848

Ned
Your co worker may have a point and we can certainly do with out tantrums on the side line there was a particular game against are near neighbours where terry spent at least 15 minutes trying to keep a certain someone calm to no avail i might add

asitis (Cavan) - Posts: 233 - 13/07/2015 21:41:23    1752971

NED - Just want to point out that the gates for County matches do not matter one bit to the county boards finances either league or championship.

Ulster Championship gates go to the Ulster council.

All Ireland qualifiers gates go to Croke Park.

NFL gates go to Croke Park.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 616 - 14/07/2015 08:51:20    1753019

SGoldrick - You say we are improving gradually...shall we give Terry another 4 years to see if he can improve them a little bit more? We improved in his first couple of years, but the last 2 years, the squad has actually gone backwards. An improvement would have been to beat Roscommon which we failed to do. You say we have no right to beat Roscommon, even with a depleted squad...It was actually Roscommon who had a depleted squad, and guess what SGoldrick, Sligo managed to beat Roscommon in the Connaught Championship.

I know exactly who we are and where we are at in football terms, but I also know, along with many other Cavan Fans that Terry Hyland is not the man to bring Cavan Football forward. The drop is crowd attendances tell you exactly what most genuine Cavan Supporters think!!!

And there you go again with your nonsense about giving Ulster a good rattle next year. You said the same thing in January, all you talk is a load of drivel.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 14/07/2015 09:29:18    1753040

Of course the senior team needs investment Ned but not to the detriment of all . ALL the county teams need looking after . The club scene needs looking after . If we had a sugar daddy somewhere who gave us a blank cheque book then it would be lovely to have the best of the best looking after us . But we have to be practical and whatever we do has to be sustainable . Breaking the bank is not a sustainable business model . It is exactly what it says on the tin - breaking the bank ! I believe there's men in Cavan to lead the team . Why can't we overcome our mental block ourselves ? To look elsewhere is in fact self perpetuating our mental issues and will eventually lead us full circle back to square one . A few years ago no one believed our underage teams could compete in Ulster but we've come on well in that regard . We need to keep chipping away . It's not a sprint .

I don't know the exact figures for attendances or the ratio of home to away fans for our games (I'd imagine the stats don't exist) . But I don't care anyway . As someone who goes to games , hand on heart , I haven't noticed a dramatic drop in attendances . Attendances were diabolical 5 years ago . To me they've improved but still not great . When the opposition fans are louder than us it may just be because they are winning , not because they out number us . We haven't had a whole lot to cheer about unfortunately . But I have to say the following for the underage teams had been fantastic both in terms of numbers and enthusiasm .

And on the subject of results - I could not care less what other counties think or remember about our teams or victories . I most certainly remember our U21 and minor campaigns and I got immense satisfaction from them . They created a buzz around the county and got people on the road again . They attract a higher ratio of younger fans as well than normal (just a personal observation , no stats to back it up) and this can only be a positive .

On the Ross match I can't speak on their injury situation but they certainly didn't seem too crippled up front . My point was we were ideal opposition for them . Our defence was missing it's spine both primary and backup . We were a sitting duck and they had the players to exploit it . Our attack would not be that renowned . In terms of the match up , IMO we suffered the more crippling injuries . But that's neither here nor there . We weren't good enough to overcome our problems .

Whatever decision is reached it's important to keep supporting the players and management , new or otherwise . If it's an outside man I'll support him too but unfortunately he probably will have seen very little of the club championship , if any at all .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 14/07/2015 13:23:54    1753184

Lads were are use going talking about a new manager, Terry is the man, we were robbed this year by bad refereeing decisions and it costs us in the league the ulster's and the qualifiers.

Terry needs to get rid of that mouth he has along side him roaring the whole time at the refs and turning them against us.

Believe lads, were not far off Monaghan and there in the Final so there is no doubting we can get there next year and push on to the big title after that but Terry is not to blame the Refs are.

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 14/07/2015 14:06:19    1753216

Surely fr.kevin fay and finbar o'reilly have to be considered !!! They have been so successful with St.pats who like cavan have struggled over the last decade to win any silverware. As a county we cannot afford to be spending on high profile managers from outside the county . Talking to any of the pats lads they had great time for the lads and seemed to be training at the highest level .

Cavanbyrd (Cavan) - Posts: 61 - 14/07/2015 14:07:23    1753219

deanmartin
County: Cavan
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SGoldrick - You say we are improving gradually...shall we give Terry another 4 years to see if he can improve them a little bit more?

why not ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 14/07/2015 14:12:03    1753223

Foxes Denn - it would probably be the most preferable solution for Terry to see out his last year if the players still want him . However I would not like to think that players would be railroaded into something they're against and have Terry forced on them . We can't just go writing off next year !

I agree there's Cavan management teams coming through and competing well underage and in colleges . However I'd like to leave them all where they are for at least another year before promoting them . It will give the underage players a bit more stability and continuity . It will give the managements more time to work at the grade they're currently at , give them more experience for when they step up and give more of the younger management teams time to develop and fill the subsequent voids these promotions will create . Indeed , even at U16 level there is sterling work being done and good football people shaping up . I most certainly don't think we're at the stage where we need to panic and go looking for solutions outside the county .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 14/07/2015 15:33:45    1753303

The facilities in the county do not help us , compared to other counties we have nothing , the senior team don't even have a full size pitch to train on in brefini for most of the year and the same with the minors ! There needs to be serious investment in a pitch and half decent gym to give our players and management the best chance of winning at all ages . We are years behind other counties in that regard

Cavanbyrd (Cavan) - Posts: 61 - 14/07/2015 15:59:31    1753330

Can we please stop the terry talk.he can bring the team no further.end of.just leave

gaelsutd (Cavan) - Posts: 602 - 14/07/2015 16:09:16    1753339

Cavanbyrd - there's a 3g pitch and a training pitch beside Breffni Park, as good as any facility in the Country, in addition, they have full use of what was the Army Barracks, with a full size pitch and very modern gym, in addition, they have also used the new St Pats gym, so please don't start making up sill excuses like SGoldrick and friends.

The manager is not up to it, the team are not up to it, we are in the bottom of tier of Gaelic Football in Ireland, it doesn't matter who takes over, Jim McGuiness, Mick O Dwyer, or any top manager, it would make damn all difference, we have hard working players but we lack serious quality in the side.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 14/07/2015 16:25:43    1753349

We need some one young who the young lads can relate to and talk to and have a good relationship with which will help get the lads like keating back in . We need the best players in cavan if we want to win and not just the lads who are willing to train every evening because very often they are not good enough. This year we had lots of ordinary footballers who will train hard but at the end of the day they don't cut it at senior level . A young manager will help bring them back in because they will understand the lads and the effort they put in we need change soon and a plan for next year needs to be set out taking into account club fixtures ! There is an Ulster in the current crop of players if we get out the best players from cavan !!!!!!

Cavanbyrd (Cavan) - Posts: 61 - 14/07/2015 17:15:22    1753386

Any one on this who is serious about giving the management team another year must be one of two things,, either one of the large number on the payroll in Breffni park or doesn't go to too many Cavan games

goonie (Cavan) - Posts: 292 - 14/07/2015 17:29:53    1753391

And who exactly are you goonie? - someone who would go against the wishes of the players and force an unwanted change on them because it is your pleasure ?

Whatever management we go with I'll be happy if the players are happy . They are the ones who will have to sacrifice and follow through . I couldn't care less if it keeps people on here happy or not .

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 14/07/2015 17:42:26    1753399

deanmartin
County: Cavan
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we are in the bottom of tier of Gaelic Football in Ireland, it doesn't matter who takes over, Jim McGuiness, Mick O Dwyer, or any top manager, it would make damn all difference, we have hard working players but we lack serious quality in the side.

hmm ? so now you are saying that regardless of whether or not we have the best manager in the country we are still going to be the same. so what's the solution in your opinion. should we just give up and opt out of the football like the hurling.. honestly how can you expect to be taken seriously, when you spend all your time slagging off Terry and then you come out with a statement like that... you are no friend of Cavan football. you are just a troll. I will not engage with you again.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 14/07/2015 18:00:17    1753409

asitis
County: Cavan
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Ned
Your co worker may have a point and we can certainly do with out tantrums on the side line there was a particular game against are near neighbours where terry spent at least 15 minutes trying to keep a certain someone calm to no avail i might add

If you watch Mickey Harte, Jim Gavin, Jimmy McGuinness on the sideline these lads are calm as a breeze. In the documentary on Jimmy McGuinness two years ago it was noted by the players that he rarely, if ever, raised his voice. Good man management is crucial as well as being a tactician, sadly we don't have that on our line.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 14/07/2015 18:53:35    1753436