I'd be a bit concerned about how we're going to handle McManus. If Hayes was back I'd put him on him, but if not then McLoughlin.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 13/04/2015 11:13:09    1713613

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 1255

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Were any of you in Portlaoise to see what happened when we let fast ball into our full forward line? It came right back out as Dunne was cleaned out of it time after time. McDermott fared a little better. We won the game by running the ball fast through the hands with men off the shoulder and that's where our scores came from. We don't have a McManus

Were you in Galway when we played in fast ball to our forward line. Martin Dunne comes in for a lot of harsh criticism on this web site. He is the best finisher in the county when he is given the right ball.People keep mentioning Tom Hayes name. He is a good player but not as good as Dunne. He played all of the first game in New York and came on early in the second half last night but didn't score in either game.Martin Dunne played last night and came of for Hayes and at that stage had scored 1-3.

evano11 (Cavan) - Posts: 257 - 13/04/2015 12:13:34    1713665

Yesterday's result was a good one for Cavan, all the pressure and expectation will be on Monaghan in 5 weeks time.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 572 - 13/04/2015 12:18:18    1713670

Cavan will be beat by Monaghan , cause Cavan have no game plan other than defend defend defend. Cavan have the making of a good team but need a manager over them not a dictator. The players are not allowed play the way they should be playing, Look at the number of people that have left the panel that on its own is an indictment of the current state of Cavan football. The sooner this years county football for Cavan is over the better so they can get new management in and get some of the players that wont play back into the squad the better.

nmel (Cavan) - Posts: 50 - 13/04/2015 13:28:23    1713712

shannon414
County: Cavan
Posts: 118

1713428 Fast movement of the ball.
Quality fast delivery of ball to Mc Manus who had a super game, ball played into his chest or popped in front of him.
That was what made Monaghan look so good today.
If we want to beat them we have to man mark Mc Manus and like they did today move the ball fast into attack and give it to the full forward line right.
Martin Dunne must be at his wits end at waitin to see if he's goin to get any ball, no wonder he is gettin so few scores.
Dublin played direct low ball to Ciaran Kilkenny all first half, he won and laid off everythin and set up several scores, likewise Cork and Donegal. Fast accurate ball, that's the key, isn't that what Mc Hale was brought in to do..?
If we play slow laborious build up lateral ball Monaghan will ate us. If we play like Monaghan we could beat them. I've always said we have the players, we are just not usin them right. We played glimpses of fast ball in the league and Mc Kenna cup, we have good man markers, we have good forwards, just put it together right and let the players play. We can beat a very very good Monaghan team.

Were you at any of Cavan's league games? Take the Meath game for example, Cavan got plenty of ball into the forwards but it was missed. We missed at least four good goal chances. Now I'm not going to say our forward unit get loads of ball but when it does go in, it either comes straight back out or is put wide.

BreffniGuide (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 13/04/2015 13:36:15    1713717

Have to say I agree with you Evan 0 about Dunne, he is harshly judged, looks for ball and is given it when he has a defender on top of him or away out on the corner. I think he can be as good as Mc Manus for Monaghan. Two seasons ago when he was nominated for all star he was as good as best in the country. Young Hayes is not experienced enough to be in the senior setup yet but is maybe a future prospect. Don't know how useful the New York games can be for judgin performance of players for championship. Judgin by reports comin through from New York, the games were a free for all and rough to the point of dangerous. Followed Anglo Celt blog last night, any word on Barry Reilly?

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 228 - 13/04/2015 17:27:36    1713828

I agree with Evano and Shannon414....its shamefull posters on here giveing out about our forwards when players out the field are slowing down the play and passing the ball over and back before generraly loosing it.... No wonder keating and Tierney walked away...as for the USA trip...what a waste of time

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 13/04/2015 17:51:26    1713839

Any chance you might take a trip to new York, one way of course.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1333 - 13/04/2015 19:29:32    1713872

I wasn't attacking Dunne, he's a fantastic shooter. As good as we've had, amazing accuracy, his 3 points against Galway were as good as you'd see anywhere. However, let's be realistic here, he's limited due to his physic. He's not particularly fast or powerful or tough. He's been consistently muscled out by tough defenders. Anyone suggesting that he's in the same bracket as McManus is fooling themselves. He's a fine player and he can and has caught fire in games and looked outstanding. But he has also been extremely inconsistent, has contributed very little when he's off his game as he was against Laois, Down, Meath. McManus is an All Star standard forward that would get his place on any team in the country.

Our full forward line is our weakest line on the team, let's not start suggesting that it's our system limiting them. The same people arguing that we haven't developed forwards because of the system are now suggesting that we have the forwards but the system won't allow them play.

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 13/04/2015 21:45:59    1713930

Kildare Blue - Monaghan's result had no bearing whatsoever on the Championship. Monaghan's National League campaign merely proved that they are well able to compete with the top teams in the Country, whist Cavan struggled against some of the poorest.
I'd be very concerned for Cavan, given some of our performances this year, people seem to forget, we scored 1 goal in an entire league campaign, we failed scored in the 2nd half of a McKenna Cup final -
People on this forum need to start facing reality - Terry Hyland does not have the capabilities of getting the best out of this cavan Team, he has no plan B, I'd argue that he doesnt have a plan A either - come Championship time, theres only one way he'll set Cavan up to play, and thats with a Blanket Defence, which means, we'll struggle to score points and Monaghan will have the quality to break down our defence.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 14/04/2015 09:54:32    1713978

Right son Deanmartin then, what way would you set up the team to play against Monaghan? We need not only a plan A but also a plan B from you? Off you go..

P.Mus (Cavan) - Posts: 386 - 14/04/2015 12:51:04    1714049

PMus - How did Cork beat Monaghan on Sunday? its simple, they outscored them. The only way to win a match is to score more than your opponents but unfortunately, Hyland doesnt set the team up to attack, therefore, our scoring ratio is quite low and we cannot get away from teams.
Cavan do not have the strengths to play a defensive game, so we need to play to the strengths that we do have, fast, attacking football, that means, when we are in possession, everybody attacks, we should have runners all around the field, running off the shoulder of the man in possession. I was at a club game the weekend, where 5 defenders were on the score sheet and it was a joy to watch.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 14/04/2015 15:33:26    1714112

O I see that's how it should be done I get you now sir.

P.Mus (Cavan) - Posts: 386 - 14/04/2015 16:22:01    1714135

PMus - but you and I both know exactly how the team will be set up - defend, defend & defend!!

So whilst Terry & Co flew all the way to New York and no doubt had a few drinky poos and played to meaningless matches against a junior team, Monaghan spent the entire week in Portugal training twice a day, and be assured, their eyes were not on the Dublin match last weekend - they will be well prepared for Cavan's defensive policy come champioship day.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 14/04/2015 16:32:55    1714147

Enough already Dean and P Mus, we have enough scrapping to do with the neighbours.

Lineup to beat Monaghan (assuming short-term fitness problems clear)

Farrelly

McLoughlin
R Dunne
K Brady

McVeety sweeping

F Flanagan
McEnroe
D O'Reilly

McKiernan
KClarke

MReilly
Mackey
Argue

Dunne
McDermott

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 14/04/2015 16:47:31    1714161

The unfortunate reality is you can't buy forwards, nonetheless I think the Cavan management are guilty of ignoring the most fundamental part of Gaelic football over the past 2 seasons i.e. scoring. I firmly believe that this Cavan team is a lot weaker than the sum of its parts. It's entirely frustrating as a Cavan fan to see Monaghan where they are, flying high in division 1, lifting provincial titles, league titles etc. Not for one second do I think our players are any worse than what they have, in fact we have the benefit of picking from successful underage teams, so although we've improved to some extent, I think the current manager has taken us as far as he can.

We'll see what they come up with at the end of May, hopefully we'll have an attacking strategy.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 14/04/2015 17:00:43    1714175

Deanmartintynan - great tactical know how there. I imagine you'll have a line of county managers looking for you to tell them more.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1333 - 14/04/2015 17:54:23    1714203

There is no way Hyland is going to change his tatics at this stage so we are going to have to suffer it... I dont think this game will live long in the memory unless we sneak a win but that will be a big ask...

Sean66 (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 14/04/2015 18:03:07    1714206

Sean66 I agree things aren't going to change, but you have to be hopeful nonetheless. Cavan have the players to play a running game. Why not do it?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 14/04/2015 18:17:15    1714213

MadgeKing
County: Cavan
Posts: 41

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Enough already Dean and P Mus, we have enough scrapping to do with the neighbours.

Lineup to beat Monaghan (assuming short-term fitness problems clear)

Farrelly

McLoughlin
R Dunne
K Brady

McVeety sweeping

F Flanagan
McEnroe
D O'Reilly

McKiernan
KClarke

MReilly
Mackey
Argue

Dunne
McDermott

Madge, strange choice in goals. farrelly hasn't started any league games and played neither of the games in New York (from what I read).
so I doubt he will be started against Monaghan.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 14/04/2015 18:41:10    1714224