Mowbar, you wouldn't start Mackey? Are you off your rocker.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1333 - 19/05/2015 19:29:29    1725784

Good luck to the lads on Sunday, I hope its a good clean game (and the rain stays away) and if our lads play to their best then there won't be much in it. The big advantage is that we are at home and we are not expected to win ... all the pressure in my opinion is on Monaghan. Also if reports are true that Darren Hughes is out then that's another plus for us ... and to the handbags between posters on here - if you put your energies into supporting the lads on the terraces this Sunday then we should have great support! Really looking forward to this and obviously hope that the Minors win too as an Ulster final is well within their reach.

sidelineview (Cavan) - Posts: 106 - 20/05/2015 12:09:39    1725992

Dora, the Minors didn't play Mayo either.

SS1 (Cavan) - Posts: 196 - 20/05/2015 12:46:17    1726018

Well lads and lassies. I have been following this for a while now and I had to make a statement.

Will yas all stop your bickering and cribbin and get behind the team.

Its monaghan were playing here, I know there going well but we have a serious chance of making an ulster final.

We have the history and tradition behind us to know that it doesn't matter what team ya have when your going into a game local derby against these boys its going to be tight.

I have no fear and id say there more afraid of us, there never any good when they go in as favourites so we have it all to play for.

Iv been going to games long enough now and I know for a fact that the monaghan folk and the rest of you boys on this home forum know that this is a 50/50 match and this will be a fight to the bitter end and Im going to stick my neck out and say we will come out of this the better and into the semi final.

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 20/05/2015 17:25:05    1726192

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Mowbar, you wouldn't start Mackey? Are you off your rocker.

Yes fredflint that's the difference between you and I for if he starts Mackey he will not last the full match nor will R.Flannagan or Clarke so what does hyland do start them and loose the match in the last quarter or hold them and win the match in the last quarter for there is not a full match in Mackey at this moment in time.
I can take it so don't be afraid to come back to me Sunday evening and tell me I was wrong.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 20/05/2015 19:36:55    1726249

There was an old thread on Managing Expectations but I couldn't find it. In any case, my expectations are higher than last year. That's not to say that I expect us to beat Monaghan. They have improved a lot in 12 months and the two games against Dublin in particular will have sharpened them for Sunday. But Monaghan have still to play their football against us and we can make it difficult for most teams.

I do however expect us to be competitive and offer more than just a tight defence. This group is a long time on the road now. They are no longer a new Mgnt team bringing along young U21's. They have plenty of managerial experience and have had plenty of time to get their player appraisals right. There should be no excuses for them not having Monaghan's key men managed properly. The players are also more experienced now and more should be expected from them.

I also expect the Management to react to what's happening around them better than last year. They should have done their scenario planning by now and have backups to cover the what-if's. This may be where the game will be won or lost.
In the second half against Meath in Ramor, Argue was used to good effect on the edge of the square. If he's deployed there at some stage, then the delivery in to him needs to be direct and fast. That means players need to adapt quickly to whatever tactical changes the Mgnt make. Communication is very important between the line and the field and also around the field between the players.

From what I have seen this year in the McKenna Cup, the League and the odd challenge, I think we are boxing slightly below our weight and that there is a top class performance in this team. Hopefully, there's a "cunning plan" to produce such a performance on Sunday and use it as a launching pad for a strong run through Ulster. We're all entitled to expect that at this stage. Yes we need a bit of luck like all teams do, but we're not novices anymore. There should be a lot more leadership on display on Sunday. I'd be optimistic that we'll be competitive and extremely disappointed if we're not. Hopefully we'll still be in the hunt for the Anglo - Celt Cup on Sunday evening and the future will still be blue. All the best to the Mgnt and players.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 442 - 20/05/2015 20:31:02    1726264

I have no vendetta against any manager,Carr was a disaster as was Keoghan, and a small bit of credit must go to Peter Donnelly and Forde for providing the template and discipline currently in the squad, compared to those dark years; also credit to Terry Hyland for gettin those guys in to do the proper job, but just after reading the latest article on the HS Cavan Website, and in fairness all im hearing every year of Terry is "Progress we made" "we are steadily making Progress" "we are building", that is one thing that has to stop from Terry. Its time we turned that into real results and performance against proper teams, This is Terrys 5th year managing Cavan (despite what people say he was 50:50 with Val Andrews) credit to him for assembling the various staff that has instilled the current discipline and making us hard to beat, but in my view the requisite "Progress" he so often states has started to stutter and stall a long time ago.

1. We have had 2 solitary Ulster Championship win against Armagh and a poor Fermanagh team in the last 5 years, and in fairness as great a day as it was to be a Cavan supporter, Armagh went walkabout that day too.We have been hammered in Breffni in the qualifiers in those years by Longford (Awful), and Roscommon last year (again awful stuff). 2013 we beat one team of note Derry, (who are always on the verge of collapse).

2. After a promotion from a Div 3 which credit is given, we were very hit and miss in Div 2 this year, with an atrocious scoring rate (1 goal in the entire campaign, and just about held in there in a division which is a muchness of a muchness, we never dared to attack or open up teams which we could be capable off doing).

3. Progress means we blood new players and bring them along year after year if we are "building", he has persisted with the same players time after time more or less bar a few exceptions for the last 3 years, the same forwards, same midfielders, and more or less the same backs from the McKenna Cup right through the league to the championship in all of these years, other counties use the preseason cups and league to find new players try new ways of playing, something to add to the bow. We done none of that.

4.Following on from that progress means having a number of plans to approach a game, we have nothig but Plan A, it served us well when we were a surprise package in 2013, but now against the top half teams in the country, we are like an open book, and we havent changed it, we are still persisting with massed defence, and painfully slow moving going forward, with players obviously afraid to lose the ball, or try a defense opening pass.

5. Lastly, progress and building mean bringing on the successful U21 teams and making a mark at Senior level, the fact is we haven't, as much as it upsets me to say that, yes the U21s were perhaps an element of finding a niche, and exploiting it, by having a solid teams training together the whole time and working on a defensive plan thoroughly, but we still won the championships, and we haven't really seen these been delivered onto the Senior platform, like Tyrone, have done in the past. In fact alot those U21s have drifted away from the set up.

This is not a negative post against Terry before all the regulars jump on me like DeanMartin, but that article annoyed me to a point, I felt we needed a reality check, and that Terry was essentially getting his soft landing excuses in case we are on the wrong end of the result on Sunday.

Its time Terry and his PLAYERS stopped the talking and excuse making stood up and take the game to Monaghan, no regrets. If we lose i don't know how terry can continue to preach progress, unless we make a huge splash in the qualifiers, if that doesn't happen, i think it may be time for a fresh face.

I hope im wrong, ill be cheering Cavan from the Hill, Best of luck lads . An Cabhan Abu

cavancoop (Cavan) - Posts: 49 - 21/05/2015 10:07:35    1726338

Good post ondforty


I do think there is some sort of cunning plan as you say.

I just got the feeling watching the team throughout the year that there is something being held in reserve. Sunday is the day to show our hand and like you, I think we have it in us to win this game.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4135 - 21/05/2015 10:13:30    1726342

ondforty - Good post, but curious why your expectations are higher this yr than they were last yr. Last yr we comfortably secured
promotion to Division 2, and there were high expecations going into the championship, and we know how that turned out.
I've seen no reason this year for high expectations, we had a decent enough league, but lost a few home games, and some of the football was terrible to watch, that perhaps is what wrong with Cavan Supporters, raised expectations then disappointment. In addition, what was worrying during the league was the inability of management to come up with a plan B, or make the right substituions at the right time, hopefully, theyll get it right on Sunday. We all need to keep our feet firmly on the ground - Monagaghan had an excellent league campaign,and are firm favourites, but the pressure is on them, but its a championship and a local derby, so anything can happen. I think Cavan need to go into the game in a relaxed mode, with no pressure and they might just perform. What I dont want to see is if we beat Monaghan is people coming on here with the future is blue and all that, because Fermanagh will be no pushovers for any team.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 21/05/2015 10:28:37    1726350

Sunday is the defining match for Terry and this team. It's **** or get off the pot time. Time to deliver.
There can be no more "we are building for the future" kind of talk The future is on Sunday.
Plans A and B should now be sorted and every man should know his job.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 21/05/2015 10:56:23    1726366

Cavan_Slasher - Going into his fifth champsionship year as Senior Manager, not to mention his tenure with the U21's you'd think that everything should be sorted, however, the National League Campaign showed that theres still alot to do.
There were a few matches where there was no plan B, making the wrong substituion, and at the wrong time, but I do hope
that if there is a plan b, it doesnt entirely consist of throwing Argue on the square.

But its a massive game for Cavan, and regardless of any tactics, plans etc, its up to the 15 players on the pitch to stand up
and be counted, they need to play with full conviction, attack when they have the ball and cut out the silly errors!.

I have a good feeling about Sunday, Monaghan will be under fierce pressure to perform and if Cavan can smell blood, I dont think Monaghan will have the nerve to pull it back.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 21/05/2015 11:44:55    1726411

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I have a good feeling about Sunday, Monaghan will be under fierce pressure to perform and if Cavan can smell blood, I dont think Monaghan will have the nerve to pull it back

At last, a bit of optimism based on the fact that Monaghan are no better than us and we are at home. I can't wait for this match Like you said Deanmartin I have a very good feeling about Sunday.

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 21/05/2015 12:43:46    1726463

Cavancoop - excellent post

Deanmartin - I have a higher expectation this year based on the fact that the mgnt and team have another 12 months of experience of playing at a higher level and have made enough past mistakes to have learned how to handle occasions (parades!!), incidents, indecision etc much better. If we are chasing the game and throw on 4 subs in the last 5 mins, then we will know that nothing has been learned in terms of using our resources properly. I will expect mgnt to spot and fix as issues surface. If our best players are not performing then hard decisions need to be made at the time, not when it's too late.

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 442 - 21/05/2015 13:07:18    1726492

Hmmmmmm I smell a Ramor Rat

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2015 13:20:30    1726507

ondforty - Time will tell whether theyve learnt much, but you have to rememember, management were still making mistakes up until the league ended a few weeks ago. Whether they can put that right on Sunday, remains to be seen.
Foxes_Denn, I dont believe that Monaghan are no better than us - they maintained their Division 1 status and played well against some of the top teams - could you imagine Cavan playing in Division 1 and being able to compete? I wouldnt be confident.

Cavan97 - let me tell you one more time - Im not who you think I am, the lad has an open face book page, so Im sure if he was on the Hogan Stand, he wouldnt be hiding behind an alias. But I will you - Ive played senior football since I was 16, and Im still involved in Senior Football, Ive played football with the likes of Kevin McStay, Tommy Carr, Pat Holmes, Dermot Early...the list goes on, so I feel Im perfectly qualified to give my opinion on Cavan Football.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 21/05/2015 14:59:16    1726598

After months of sledging and not even congratulating the team on securing Division 2. Seems to me you are suddenly giving an unbiased opinion to give a biased one in a few days.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 21/05/2015 15:20:41    1726618

Sunday is a big day in the development of the team. Give it everything boys, leave nothing on the pitch, get it in quick to the full forward line and when you look up at the scoreboard after the long whistle please Godd you will be ahead!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 572 - 21/05/2015 16:03:37    1726654

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1726654 Sunday is a big day in the development of the team. Give it everything boys, leave nothing on the pitch, get it in quick to the full forward line and when you look up at the scoreboard after the long whistle please Godd you will be ahead!

I hope that there is more to the plan than this.

foxes_denn (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 21/05/2015 16:52:26    1726693

Cavan97 - My opinions are neither biased or unbiased, they are honest and unlike you and many others, I am not afraid
to criticise in any shape or form. Yeah, we secured division 2 football, great achievement, but given the quality of the teams around us, it would have been a serious failure if we didnt. The test now is can we maintain it this year given that Tyrone and Armagh and a few other Ulster Counties are also in Division 2. In any case, the big test for this Cavan Team is on Sunday, and the days after and then we'll see whether they have improved as a team.

deanmartin (Cavan) - Posts: 643 - 21/05/2015 17:11:22    1726708

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Cavan97 - let me tell you one more time - Im not who you think I am, the lad has an open face book page, so Im sure if he was on the Hogan Stand, he wouldnt be hiding behind an alias. But I will you - Ive played senior football since I was 16, and Im still involved in Senior Football, Ive played football with the likes of Kevin McStay, Tommy Carr, Pat Holmes, Dermot Early...the list goes on, so I feel Im perfectly qualified to give my opinion on Cavan Football.

Tommy Carr managed Cavan for 2 years and I still wouldn't consider him qualified to give an opinion on Cavan football, never mind a keyboard warrior who claims to have played football with him way back when!

JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 21/05/2015 17:47:43    1726732