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Cavan are away to Armagh, Laois Fermanagh and Kildare and at home to Westmeath Clare and Roscommon

Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 412 - 26/11/2019 16:11:06    2251584

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handy Division with not much quality

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1481 - 26/11/2019 17:27:18    2251603

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Will we have a team for it at all with all the drop-offs...

theDagger1986 (Cavan) - Posts: 178 - 26/11/2019 17:42:13    2251610

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Who all are gone from the panel?

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 26/11/2019 18:44:03    2251625

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Were in a for a long year if these reports of all the dropouts are true. Questions need to be asked. Same thing happened to mcglennan in his second year . I'm spotting a common denominator here.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 151 - 26/11/2019 21:14:41    2251662

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Replying To blueskies:  "Were in a for a long year if these reports of all the dropouts are true. Questions need to be asked. Same thing happened to mcglennan in his second year . I'm spotting a common denominator here."
Whose dropping out? Only heard of Mcveety

Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 80 - 26/11/2019 22:19:44    2251684

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Replying To Benjy1000:  "Whose dropping out? Only heard of Mcveety"
Just heard now of killian Clarke and moynagh
Opting out ..

Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 80 - 26/11/2019 22:26:26    2251688

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Replying To Benjy1000:  "Whose dropping out? Only heard of Mcveety"
Killian clarke and moynagh are gone now too .

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 151 - 26/11/2019 22:28:47    2251689

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In fairness to McVeety and Clarke, and whoever else may be dropping away, I'd imagine the donegal demolition and humiliation to Tyrone made them realise that they're light years away from the big boys and are realistically not going to win meaningful senior silverware in their careers. With that realisation, it must be very hard to summon up the stomach required for another 7-8 months of full on commitment.

Don't forget, we got up to division 1 twice and lost 10 of the 14 games we played up there, only winning 2, relegated with a whimper both times. The reality is that cavan football is just not a serious contender at any level, for many reasons, not least culture, our club structure, and a general lack of ambition. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to see things improving in the short or medium term.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 310 - 26/11/2019 22:40:16    2251691

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "In fairness to McVeety and Clarke, and whoever else may be dropping away, I'd imagine the donegal demolition and humiliation to Tyrone made them realise that they're light years away from the big boys and are realistically not going to win meaningful senior silverware in their careers. With that realisation, it must be very hard to summon up the stomach required for another 7-8 months of full on commitment.

Don't forget, we got up to division 1 twice and lost 10 of the 14 games we played up there, only winning 2, relegated with a whimper both times. The reality is that cavan football is just not a serious contender at any level, for many reasons, not least culture, our club structure, and a general lack of ambition. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to see things improving in the short or medium term."
Doubt Conor Bradley is on panel, heard he is joining a club in Dublin

BreffniPark (Cavan) - Posts: 20 - 27/11/2019 00:07:19    2251703

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "In fairness to McVeety and Clarke, and whoever else may be dropping away, I'd imagine the donegal demolition and humiliation to Tyrone made them realise that they're light years away from the big boys and are realistically not going to win meaningful senior silverware in their careers. With that realisation, it must be very hard to summon up the stomach required for another 7-8 months of full on commitment.

Don't forget, we got up to division 1 twice and lost 10 of the 14 games we played up there, only winning 2, relegated with a whimper both times. The reality is that cavan football is just not a serious contender at any level, for many reasons, not least culture, our club structure, and a general lack of ambition. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to see things improving in the short or medium term."
I think we need to stop making apologies for these lads. The fact is Monaghan, Donegal, Tyrone dont lose players like we do so I say that maybe there is a problem mentally with our players. The jersey doesnt mean enough to them, they are not willing to do what needs to be done to win. That is the problem, time to stop making excuses for them.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1333 - 27/11/2019 08:10:08    2251721

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I read recently Vinny Corey and Dessie Mone are intending to play on with Monaghan next year. Corey is 36 and Mone 35..

The Cavan players probaly annoyed that the under age success hasn't followed up by Senior success..

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 27/11/2019 09:41:46    2251735

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Replying To BreffniPark:  "Doubt Conor Bradley is on panel, heard he is joining a club in Dublin"
Conor Bradley is going to Dunboyne

Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 412 - 27/11/2019 09:51:33    2251739

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McVeety, Killian Clarke and Moynagh have all opted out now at this stage. I'd also imagine we'll see at least two retirements from Galligan, Mackey and Martin Reilly, as they're all hitting their mid 30s.

None of this is surprising. I wish the lads the very best of luck in their endeavours off the field next year.

Supporters should ask the question, why in God's name would our best players commit to yet another year of inevitable failure? What do they get year after year only a hammering at the hands of Donegal, Tyrone etc. The writing has been on the wall for decades now, and the truth of the matter is that the entire football apparatus in Cavan is all wrong, from the ground up. One provincial title in half a century is proof of this. Furthermore our county champions are so poor in quality that they're easily brushed aside in Ulster each year.

Might this exodus finally wake up the county board to take action? Of course it won't. We'll trundle on for another 50 years, reminiscing about 1997,and hoping against hope that we might win something. It's the Cavan way.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 27/11/2019 10:02:47    2251743

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Replying To fredflint:  "I think we need to stop making apologies for these lads. The fact is Monaghan, Donegal, Tyrone dont lose players like we do so I say that maybe there is a problem mentally with our players. The jersey doesnt mean enough to them, they are not willing to do what needs to be done to win. That is the problem, time to stop making excuses for them."
A real negative and petty swipe at the players efforts.

Do you not think maybe that after 50 years of continuing failure that there may be systemic or structural issues in the way Gaelic football is approached in Cavan?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 27/11/2019 10:09:29    2251744

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "A real negative and petty swipe at the players efforts.

Do you not think maybe that after 50 years of continuing failure that there may be systemic or structural issues in the way Gaelic football is approached in Cavan?"
A year or two ago I might have agreed with you. But on reflection no. Do you see conor McManus taking years out. We got a new manager and this is the loyalty he has been shown. It's not just the big names either, its fellas opting in 1 year, out the next. How can you expect to get to the level required. Cavan lost an Ulster final in a manager's maiden year in 95, 2 years later we were champs. King, damien reilly, peter and Larry took no years out. They kept soldiering for Cavan. I expect a bit more from lads that wear the Cavan Jersey.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1333 - 27/11/2019 11:29:28    2251755

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Replying To fredflint:  "A year or two ago I might have agreed with you. But on reflection no. Do you see conor McManus taking years out. We got a new manager and this is the loyalty he has been shown. It's not just the big names either, its fellas opting in 1 year, out the next. How can you expect to get to the level required. Cavan lost an Ulster final in a manager's maiden year in 95, 2 years later we were champs. King, damien reilly, peter and Larry took no years out. They kept soldiering for Cavan. I expect a bit more from lads that wear the Cavan Jersey."
The reason the players are opting out is because Cavan are a basket case of a county when it comes to Gaelic football. The Cavan people are total fanatics about the sport, Gaelic football has little to compete with when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of youngsters, and yet we still can't get a decent team together. Why?

Conor McManus doesn't opt out because he's won two USFC titles in his career, and Monaghan consistently play in division one. He plays because his team are moderately successful.

What about our team? They're not within an asses roar of the top teams in the province, these fellas know they're never going to win anything playing for Cavan, so why bother?

Until the structural issues are addressed we're going nowhere. As I said, we'll just carry on as is, and lament the same failings year after year.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 27/11/2019 12:01:21    2251764

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Replying To fredflint:  "A year or two ago I might have agreed with you. But on reflection no. Do you see conor McManus taking years out. We got a new manager and this is the loyalty he has been shown. It's not just the big names either, its fellas opting in 1 year, out the next. How can you expect to get to the level required. Cavan lost an Ulster final in a manager's maiden year in 95, 2 years later we were champs. King, damien reilly, peter and Larry took no years out. They kept soldiering for Cavan. I expect a bit more from lads that wear the Cavan Jersey."
Dead right . King played for 20 years and won nothing. He Never turned away from the county and he got his reward in 97 . Plenty of time to relax when your finished playing these boys are in there peak the time is now.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 151 - 27/11/2019 12:02:31    2251765

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Replying To blueskies:  "Dead right . King played for 20 years and won nothing. He Never turned away from the county and he got his reward in 97 . Plenty of time to relax when your finished playing these boys are in there peak the time is now."
That's not entirely a valid comparison, the world is a very different place now than it was in the 80s. Gaelic football is also a completely different sport to the one it was back then, much higher demands on players etc.

You can't expect lads to put their lives on hold for nothing. Which is what they've been doing for the best part of a decade, and they didn't come close to winning anything.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1022 - 27/11/2019 12:09:54    2251768

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Why is it Cavan seems to be affected far worse than other counties when it comes to key players walking away.
Its extremely frustrating and makes it impossible for us to achieve any real progress.

I am reluctant to criticise players as i realise the commitment is huge and there will likely be no AI medal at the end of the year but even so the only thing that matters is the jersey, you rarely hear of fermanagh players or monaghan players opting out for example. All their best available players will be committed to the cause.

You would wonder if we are suffering badly from a leadership deficit in the squad, the 3 key players mentioned as opting out all tried to get sent off last year against Tyrone when the going got tough. Leaders stand up when the chips are down

Pullhard1985 (USA) - Posts: 68 - 27/11/2019 12:12:15    2251770

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