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I'm not here to run down players far from it but I do question player improvement or the lack of it since 2011. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 16/06/2017 12:03:24 2000284 Link 0 |
McCabe won an all star when he was very young. Hardly average.
doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 16/06/2017 13:33:20 2000334 Link 1 |
Read the post. He was very average in 95 when he started out.. but he well improved over the first few years. Same can't be said of this bunch Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 16/06/2017 14:19:39 2000358 Link 0 |
it's simple , when the likes of Mc Cabe etc were playing football, individual skill was practiced, honed and developed. FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 16/06/2017 15:09:41 2000385 Link 0 |
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11690 - 16/06/2017 15:17:03 2000391 Link 0 |
I can see some merit in what you are saying but I would suggest that it's not the individual's ability that we need to be concentrating on but their ability to play within a team instead of playing as an individual. All players have improved in strength and conditioning and stamina (well mostly all). s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 16/06/2017 15:40:04 2000400 Link 0 |
Armagh and Tyrone changed the style of football im early 2000s.. Donegal then went further in 2011. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 16/06/2017 15:40:44 2000401 Link 0 |
Sounds about right! But players like Ryan mchugh eoin mc high, mc brearty, dean rock, quinlivan diarmuid o Connor , to name but a few have all progressed as individual footballers since their u21 days . Where as none of our lads are any better now than they were in 2012. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 16/06/2017 15:50:01 2000403 Link 0 |
Oh he was average in 95 compared to 97 and behond. My point is he improved vastly over time. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 16/06/2017 15:51:56 2000406 Link 0 |
Every player on the current panel are better players now than when they were 19
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11690 - 16/06/2017 17:04:45 2000428 Link 0 |
In 2011 we narrowly beat Tipperary at home in our last league game to avoid relegation to Division 4. In 2017 we competed in Division 1 of the league. Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/06/2017 22:21:55 2000509 Link 0 |
I couldn't have put it better myself.... Gaelic football is been ruined by lazy coaching
Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 17/06/2017 07:56:19 2000537 Link 0 |
In 2011 we were well beat by Antrim in the final round of the league, Tipp beat us in the second round, we won three matches in the whole campaign and only stayed in Division 3 by virtue of other results going our way.
ramor101 (Cavan) - Posts: 287 - 17/06/2017 14:20:38 2000608 Link 0 |
Have lads like mc kiernan clarke McDermott improved as footballers since the played u21.. Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 17/06/2017 15:18:55 2000624 Link 1 |
To answer your question, yes they have. JonSmith (Cavan) - Posts: 1451 - 17/06/2017 17:12:31 2000641 Link 0 |
No. 2011 we struggled big time in the league and beat Waterford but apart from that didn't look like winning a game. We sort of got it together for the last two games. Beat high flying Louth in Breffni thanks to the addition of a few U21s and an injury to their talisman Lennon. Scraped past Tipp in the last game. 2012 Antrim schooled us in the last game in Breffni in the league in a must win game. We finished on 4 points but somehow managed to stay up because Offaly couldn't beat a terrible Tipp side who hadn't won a game up to that.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 17/06/2017 22:02:44 2000773 Link 0 |
You don't need a thread to know they've improved. Results will have shown our players have improved a great deal. Stability in division 3 followed by promotion. Stability in division 2 followed by promotion. Ulster All star awards, All star nominees, Railway Cup panel members etc. Again a bit of a tedious thread. Who do you think achieved all this if it wasn't done by improving players?
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 17/06/2017 22:13:15 2000778 Link 0 |
Why you posting on the thread if we don't need one? Or do we just talk about what you want to talk about. My point is the 3 players mentioned as an example are no better today than they were in 2012. I've seen no individual inprovement in any of the 3 Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 18/06/2017 08:41:12 2000945 Link 1 |
When we played Monaghan in Clones in 2013 Clarke played a blinder., always available to carry the ball forward and try and create things. I think he has regressed myself or is not being allowed to express himself in that same way because of the system we're playing. Mc Kiernan is not dominating midfield in the way i'd have expected him to do with age and experience but he is still worth his place and is a good man to take a score. Mc Dermott has had a lot of injuries but he's a good footballer and next year i'd expect to see him at his best.
Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/06/2017 16:22:20 2001190 Link 0 |
You don't have a point and you're talking a lot of crap and back tracking. Initially it was our players and team play hasn't improved. When results shown prove otherwise you start flapping and focus on three players and tell us not to talk about matches we won and lost. Then you mouth something about posters only wanting to discuss what they want to discuss. Stop digging. Anyone who thinks we haven't improved since 2011/2012 is how shall I put it, not the full shilling.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 18/06/2017 20:24:55 2001359 Link 1 |