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There is a huge difference between being positive and delusional !
I go to every Cavan game full of hope but the reality is we have no silverware at senior level since 1997.
This is where reality comes in !!!
I'll be there on the 11th willing the lads on to victory, but I won't be going there with misguided belief.
Every dog has it's day. Hopefully the 11th June is ours.

FrDougalMaguire (Cavan) - Posts: 152 - 26/05/2017 08:44:09    1990893

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Replying To FrDougalMaguire:  "There is a huge difference between being positive and delusional !
I go to every Cavan game full of hope but the reality is we have no silverware at senior level since 1997.
This is where reality comes in !!!
I'll be there on the 11th willing the lads on to victory, but I won't be going there with misguided belief.
Every dog has it's day. Hopefully the 11th June is ours."
Is it a virus that only us cavan people have? Is it more pleasurable for us than others to always gravitate towards the negative. Here we have a post which ends in fairness with an optimism of sorts. Yet the poster must still remind us that we are unlikely to win before adding that the poster hopes we do. Negativity seeps from the stands and the spectators into the players who, when not expected to achieve, can pull back on the throttle in the knowledge that the pessimists will jump to their defense by highlighting how they werent expected to win in the first place. Our players are as good as Monaghans. Theirs simple perform better because their supporters demand that they do. Look to the Monaghan forum and see a distinct lack of negativity before big matches. Leave the post mortem until after the game.

sceptical (Cavan) - Posts: 542 - 26/05/2017 11:59:28    1990952

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sceptical, if you seriously think that the players are effected on the field by anything said on this forum you are delusional. This is a forum for adult discussion not merely a rallying cry where we all say Come on Cavan we are going to beat Monaghan. Every other poster on here is saying the truth yet you see yourself a some sort of policeman who can tell us all what to think and write. We have all given balanced accounts of why we think it's going to be difficult for Cavan on this occasion. We could be all wrong of course and I hope to God we are , not many people thought we could beat Mayo in the League but then again most people thought we would beat Roscommon. The kickout strategy is going to be important as that is where we have been falling way short in the games this year. On Monaghan's kick out do we push up, probably not as it would be too dangerous given the great distances that Beggan can get on his kicks. He could bypass most of our players and we could be vunerable to the likes of O'Connell and Hughes running straight at goal. If we don't push up then the likes of Drew Wylie Fintan Kelly Colin walshe will be carrying the ball out at speed . Our forwards have to be prepared to tackle hard. I would prefer if we didn't try to play it short on our own kickouts as it can go disasterously wrong as it did for Fermanagh and also for us in 2013. Our best option is to go long and try and win breaking ball in midfield. This is something that we haven't been doing . Michael Murphy destroyed us in the league , picking up every second ball . I think our problem was that we were trying to catch it. we should forget about trying to catch it and make sure we get lots of bodies for the secondary ball.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5356 - 26/05/2017 13:02:59    1990989

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Replying To sceptical:  "Is it a virus that only us cavan people have? Is it more pleasurable for us than others to always gravitate towards the negative. Here we have a post which ends in fairness with an optimism of sorts. Yet the poster must still remind us that we are unlikely to win before adding that the poster hopes we do. Negativity seeps from the stands and the spectators into the players who, when not expected to achieve, can pull back on the throttle in the knowledge that the pessimists will jump to their defense by highlighting how they werent expected to win in the first place. Our players are as good as Monaghans. Theirs simple perform better because their supporters demand that they do. Look to the Monaghan forum and see a distinct lack of negativity before big matches. Leave the post mortem until after the game."
Very well put.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 743 - 26/05/2017 13:19:19    1990995

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Replying To s goldrick:  "sceptical, if you seriously think that the players are effected on the field by anything said on this forum you are delusional. This is a forum for adult discussion not merely a rallying cry where we all say Come on Cavan we are going to beat Monaghan. Every other poster on here is saying the truth yet you see yourself a some sort of policeman who can tell us all what to think and write. We have all given balanced accounts of why we think it's going to be difficult for Cavan on this occasion. We could be all wrong of course and I hope to God we are , not many people thought we could beat Mayo in the League but then again most people thought we would beat Roscommon. The kickout strategy is going to be important as that is where we have been falling way short in the games this year. On Monaghan's kick out do we push up, probably not as it would be too dangerous given the great distances that Beggan can get on his kicks. He could bypass most of our players and we could be vunerable to the likes of O'Connell and Hughes running straight at goal. If we don't push up then the likes of Drew Wylie Fintan Kelly Colin walshe will be carrying the ball out at speed . Our forwards have to be prepared to tackle hard. I would prefer if we didn't try to play it short on our own kickouts as it can go disasterously wrong as it did for Fermanagh and also for us in 2013. Our best option is to go long and try and win breaking ball in midfield. This is something that we haven't been doing . Michael Murphy destroyed us in the league , picking up every second ball . I think our problem was that we were trying to catch it. we should forget about trying to catch it and make sure we get lots of bodies for the secondary ball."
The negativity peddled on here is way way way out of proportion. Nothing wrong with realism at all. The begrudgery and whinging on here is disgraceful.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11690 - 26/05/2017 14:13:16    1991016

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Nobody is disrespecting Monaghan, but Cavan have every chance of beating them on the day if we get the important pieces right.As stated earlier, push up on their kick outs,ensure no clean ball won by Kieran Hughes around the middle,scrap for every breaking ball,stop their transition from defence which can be impressive if they are allowed to play,get the sweeper stuff right.a lot of it is then down to 50/50 battles because we too have a few marquee players in my opinion,every bit as good if not better than a lot of the Monaghan players .As stated by an earlier poster,we have failed miserably around the middle at times in the league,break it and scrap hard could be our best option but in the league we hadnt enough of bodies in for the break because 80% of our lads were already in defence.

celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 157 - 26/05/2017 15:16:22    1991046

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Replying To celt2018:  "Nobody is disrespecting Monaghan, but Cavan have every chance of beating them on the day if we get the important pieces right.As stated earlier, push up on their kick outs,ensure no clean ball won by Kieran Hughes around the middle,scrap for every breaking ball,stop their transition from defence which can be impressive if they are allowed to play,get the sweeper stuff right.a lot of it is then down to 50/50 battles because we too have a few marquee players in my opinion,every bit as good if not better than a lot of the Monaghan players .As stated by an earlier poster,we have failed miserably around the middle at times in the league,break it and scrap hard could be our best option but in the league we hadnt enough of bodies in for the break because 80% of our lads were already in defence."
You are dead right the match will be won or lost between the 45's. Not just in the air but on the ground as well. We will need McKiernan at full forward and Killian Clarke at centre half back.
Who fits around that? Mossy Corr and Buchanan in midfield? They could break even against McAdam and Hughes but I'd worry a bit.
Moynagh and McEnroe also in the half back line? That would be physically strong.
Then GSmith, McVeety and Martin Reilly in the half forwards? McVeety would need to tie down O'Connell and you would need a few scores from Smith.
Murray and Mackey all to come in for impact.

It will probably be something similar to this lineup- if this is the key area is it strong enough? On a good day maybe yes. Argue could change the arithmetic.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 26/05/2017 17:09:24    1991084

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O Connell was midfield against Fermanagh not half forward. McVeety unlikely to be starting anyways
McKiernan better off on the 40 then in at full forward.. Can win the breaks and score from distance.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 26/05/2017 17:47:50    1991095

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "You are dead right the match will be won or lost between the 45's. Not just in the air but on the ground as well. We will need McKiernan at full forward and Killian Clarke at centre half back.
Who fits around that? Mossy Corr and Buchanan in midfield? They could break even against McAdam and Hughes but I'd worry a bit.
Moynagh and McEnroe also in the half back line? That would be physically strong.
Then GSmith, McVeety and Martin Reilly in the half forwards? McVeety would need to tie down O'Connell and you would need a few scores from Smith.
Murray and Mackey all to come in for impact.

It will probably be something similar to this lineup- if this is the key area is it strong enough? On a good day maybe yes. Argue could change the arithmetic."
McVeety is injured??? And Argue has quit.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 26/05/2017 18:15:09    1991096

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "You are dead right the match will be won or lost between the 45's. Not just in the air but on the ground as well. We will need McKiernan at full forward and Killian Clarke at centre half back.
Who fits around that? Mossy Corr and Buchanan in midfield? They could break even against McAdam and Hughes but I'd worry a bit.
Moynagh and McEnroe also in the half back line? That would be physically strong.
Then GSmith, McVeety and Martin Reilly in the half forwards? McVeety would need to tie down O'Connell and you would need a few scores from Smith.
Murray and Mackey all to come in for impact.

It will probably be something similar to this lineup- if this is the key area is it strong enough? On a good day maybe yes. Argue could change the arithmetic."
Argue not on the panel, mcaveety injured,

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 743 - 26/05/2017 18:29:29    1991098

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "O Connell was midfield against Fermanagh not half forward. McVeety unlikely to be starting anyways
McKiernan better off on the 40 then in at full forward.. Can win the breaks and score from distance."
Wasn't saying Argue was available just that he would be an asset. Mcveety fitness is a massive factor. If hes out you still need pace on the half forward line. Whos that going to be instead? Oconnell only went to midfield after hughes was black carded if i remember rightly, and will be no7 against us.
Maybe joe dillon at 14 but we need something more to move wylie out of his comfort zone. That has to be mckiernan.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 489 - 26/05/2017 18:52:24    1991104

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O Connell was at midfield from the start. McAdam was in the half back line.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2216 - 27/05/2017 08:44:39    1991162

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I see Monaghan players lined out with their clubs today in contrast to Cavan's.
Any views from Cavan supporters on which is the correct approach given that we have already lost Darren Hughes & young McGinn to injuries.
May the best team win in Breffni !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 28/05/2017 17:51:51    1991513

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "I see Monaghan players lined out with their clubs today in contrast to Cavan's.
Any views from Cavan supporters on which is the correct approach given that we have already lost Darren Hughes & young McGinn to injuries.
May the best team win in Breffni !"
Monaghan's approach. At least your players won't go in cold.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 28/05/2017 18:11:38    1991526

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Replying To Shelbourne: "I see Monaghan players lined out with their clubs today in contrast to Cavan's.
Any views from Cavan supporters on which is the correct approach given that we have already lost Darren Hughes & young McGinn to injuries.
May the best team win in Breffni !"

Monaghan's approach. At least your players won't go in cold.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:911 - 28/05/2017 18:11:38

Monaghan's certainly the more courageous approach but what about injuries to key players ?

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 28/05/2017 18:23:19    1991537

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The club football has benefitted Monaghan, players like Conor McCarthu got regular game time, without this he probably wouldn't have started against Fermanagh.
The three boys in our full forward line McManus scored 9 points for clontibret on Friday night, McCarron scored 1-5 for Currin and Conor McCarthy scored 8 points for Scotstown.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1850 - 28/05/2017 19:33:51    1991566

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The club football has benefitted Monaghan, players like Conor McCarthu got regular game time, without this he probably wouldn't have started against Fermanagh.
The three boys in our full forward line McManus scored 9 points for clontibret on Friday night, McCarron scored 1-5 for Currin and Conor McCarthy scored 8 points for Scotstown.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts:1555 - 28/05/2017 19:33:51 1991566

Impressive stats Shaggy !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 28/05/2017 20:29:57    1991592

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "Replying To Shelbourne: "I see Monaghan players lined out with their clubs today in contrast to Cavan's.
Any views from Cavan supporters on which is the correct approach given that we have already lost Darren Hughes & young McGinn to injuries.
May the best team win in Breffni !"

Monaghan's approach. At least your players won't go in cold.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:911 - 28/05/2017 18:11:38

Monaghan's certainly the more courageous approach but what about injuries to key players ?"
Can get injured in training. Playing matches only way to keep match sharp and fit.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 28/05/2017 20:41:40    1991595

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Cavan have a good chance but we need a great performance and a bit of luck. Monaghan have to be favourites as they have been operating at a higher level for a longer period and are top 6 in the Country. We have to be patient and give Mattie and the players a chance,at the end of next years championship will be the time to judge progress but i hope we see some results this year.

eamonnmac (Cavan) - Posts: 59 - 28/05/2017 21:51:45    1991635

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Replying To Shelbourne: "Replying To Shelbourne: "I see Monaghan players lined out with their clubs today in contrast to Cavan's.
Any views from Cavan supporters on which is the correct approach given that we have already lost Darren Hughes & young McGinn to injuries.
May the best team win in Breffni !"

Monaghan's approach. At least your players won't go in cold.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:911 - 28/05/2017 18:11:38

Monaghan's certainly the more courageous approach but what about injuries to key players ?"
Can get injured in training. Playing matches only way to keep match sharp and fit.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts:912 - 28/05/2017 20:41:40 199

Even Donegal players lined out with their clubs yesterday.......previously they were the worst culprits of cancelling club games. So it seem Cavan are in the minority with their approach.

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 29/05/2017 12:18:11    1991784

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